Maverick Shotguns, they any good?

[Win/64]

you are comparing the older generation of hand-fitted pump guns with forged parts that have become extinct because they are too costly to produce at a competitive price to a Maverick 88 - one of the cheapest pump guns assembled in the US with Chinese parts.

you must be quite the optimist if you think that the single action bar design of the older Maverick 88 was a result of anything other than cutting production costs.


twist my words some more
i said not to get the old Maverick 88 with the single action bar.

So a single action bar is only a negative on a mossberg is that what you meant? Or is that on all pump guns? Please clarify.

 

[manbearpig]

So a single action bar is only a negative on a mossberg is that what you meant? Or is that on all pump guns? Please clarify.

let me break it down for you again, since you are a complete failure at reading comprehension:

i forgot to add that the older Mavericks had only one action bar, which is a pretty big drawback. so if you are buying it used make sure you ask about this -- the more recent production Mavericks are quite different from the older ones.

HTF do you read that and get:
'a Maverick 88 with two action bars is better than a Rem. Mod. 31 and the Win. Mod. 12'.?

there is no comparison between a low-end mass-produced gun of today and the forged, hand-fitted guns of generations past. that said, if that older generation of guns had been designed with two action bars and manufactured with the same quality they would have likely been even better.

 

[Win/64]

It's not just older guns. The currently produced Ithaca pump is a single action bar design and it works just fine. And while not a pump gun the Beretta 391 and its predecessors use a single bar action and they set new standards for reliability compared to the Remingtons which use the dual bar system.

Having owned both types I wouldn't pass on a pump shotgun because it had only one action bar. It isn't a drawback. In fact, I've seen more problems with Remington's dual bar system because if they are mishandled during disassembly and bent in the slightest they can hinder proper functioning.

As for the Maverick I haven't owned one but those I've seen appear to be good solid guns for the price. I like them better than the Mossberg 500 because of the safety location. YMMV.

Yes I forgot about the Ithaca it's been around a long time too. And with only one action bar, How did they do it?

 

[Win/64]

i forgot to add that the older mavericks had only one action bar, which is a pretty big drawback.

Maybe this is where I got it from.... So it's only a draw back on a Mossberg? Is that what you meant?

 

[murat]

I have one for 4 months, no problems quality is very good. It is Mossberg made in Mexico

 

[manbearpig]

i forgot to add that the older Mavericks had only one action bar, which is a pretty big drawback.

Maybe this is where I got it from.... So it's only a draw back on a Mossberg? Is that what you meant?

did you take your meds today?
its a thread about the Maverick 88, and i said Maverick in the exact sentence you are quoting.
nowhere did i say - or would ever say - that a Maverick with two action bars is better than a Remington model 31 or Winchester model 12 or any other pump gun of that era. the fact that you jump to such wild conclusions to support your weak attempts at trolling my posts is pretty pathetic.



its like someone asking about a VW bus, and i say: 'make sure you get one with disc brakes, or upgrade the front to disc brakes'.
and you say: 'so youre saying a VW bus with front disc brakes is better than a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air with 4-wheel drum brakes?'.
you make no sense. go take a nap or something.

 

[Win/64]

did you take your meds today?
its a thread about the Maverick 88, and i said Maverick in the exact sentence you are quoting.
nowhere did i say - or would ever say - that a Maverick with two action bars is better than a Remington model 31 or Winchester model 12 or any other pump gun of that era. the fact that you jump to such wild conclusions to support your weak attempts at trolling my posts is pretty pathetic.



its like someone asking about a VW bus, and i say: 'make sure you get one with disc brakes, or upgrade the front to disc brakes'.
and you say: 'so youre saying a VW bus with front disc brakes is better than a 1956 Chevy Bel-Air with 4-wheel drum brakes?'.
you make no sense. go take a nap or something.

So two action bars are only better than one on the Mossberg? All the other guns including the Ithaca 37 are better than a Mossberg with one action bar?? But not with 2. Is that what you were trying to say? When you said that having only one action bar was a pretty big draw back. How could I tell that statement was just for the Mossberg??

 

[Gatehouse]

bah. i have a Maverick with almost 5000 rounds through it. it's been cleaned 3 times. it keeps on truckin'. it's been dropped, kicked, soaked in water, snow, sleet and mud, gotten dusty, fallen of the tailgate, etc etc. i've beaten the s**t out of it. i love it. and the bonus was, i bought the version that came with two barrels. i got the 28" barrel for target and hunting, and the 18" barrel for bear medicine and general blasting.

Sounds like mine!

 

[manbearpig]

So two action bars are only better than one on the Mossberg? All the other guns including the Ithaca 37 are better than a Mossberg with one action bar?? But not with 2. Is that what you were trying to say? When you said that having only one action bar was a pretty big draw back. How could I tell that statement was just for the Mossberg??

seriously - go take a nap. your desperation to troll is starting to get embarrassing.

 

[lucky07]

So two action bars are only better than one on the Mossberg? All the other guns including the Ithaca 37 are better than a Mossberg with one action bar?? But not with 2. Is that what you were trying to say? When you said that having only one action bar was a pretty big draw back. How could I tell that statement was just for the Mossberg??

your reaching for arguments even tho you know what he means. He never ####in said anything about Ithaca, win etc ... Sweet baby Jesus, why are you guys arguing over something so stupid? We all have our preferences, I think a tang safety offers a way better advantage than a button style safety on the trigger guard... does that make my Mossberg is better than a Remington? NO, just means I like the system better.

What he said was a maverick 88 with 2 action bars is better than a maverick 88 with one action bar.... simple enough for ya! Simple enough to understand for me anyways.

Let it go guys it's not productive. Who pissed in your cornflakes today boys?

 

[Win/64]

seriously - go take a nap. your desperation to troll is starting to get embarrassing.

Sorry I didn't mean to embarrass you. I was just trying to educate you. Your pulpit renderings can get a little annoying at times. Especially when you make statements that just aren't true.

 

[Claybuster]

The dual bar as superior concept was a creation of Remington marketers when it introduced the Wingmaster and were trying to break into the police market then dominated by Winchester and to a lesser extent Ithaca. They created the problem of action "binding" which wasn't a problem for the earlier designs that went through two world wars, many millions of rounds fired in peacetime and is still being used in current production firearms.

FYI, Mossberg originally produced the 500 with a single action bar switching to a dual bar in the 70's. The Maverick made the switch much later, early 90's IIRC.

In comparing apples to apples, 500 to 500 or Maverick to Maverick, the single action bar isn't a big drawback in either case.

 

[manbearpig]

The dual bar as superior concept was a creation of Remington marketers when it introduced the Wingmaster and were trying to break into the police market then dominated by Winchester and to a lesser extent Ithaca. They created the problem of action "binding" which wasn't a problem for the earlier designs that went through two world wars, many millions of rounds fired in peacetime and is still being used in current production firearms.

FYI, Mossberg originally produced the 500 with a single action bar switching to a dual bar in the 70's. The Maverick made the switch much later, early 90's IIRC.

In comparing apples to apples, 500 to 500 or Maverick to Maverick, the single action bar isn't a big drawback in either case.

thats very interesting, seeing that the reason for upgrading the single action bar of the Mossberg - and subsequently the Maverick - to a dual action bar design was to eliminate binding. the manufacturer itself even states that now 'All models feature dual extractors and twin action slide bars for positive, non-binding extraction and ejection'. strange that you seem to state the opposite: that dual action bars cause more binding.

your statement that dual action bars are worse because:

if they are mishandled during disassembly and bent in the slightest they can hinder proper functioning.

...is absurd because the statement is just as true about - if not more applicable to - single action bar designs as well: if the action bar is slightly bent on a single action bar design the gun will bind brutally.
ive handled an Ithaca 37 like this and it was extremely difficult to push the slide forward to chamber a shell. there are also tonnes of Ithaca 37 posts about rough actions/binding and a bent/damaged action bar being the culprit. as for the dual-action bar 870s: the design has been proven to be bombproof by civilians, LE and military. my 870s have gotten nothing but smoother with use and abuse.

 

[mlehtovaara]

In regards to the tag safety this all depends which gun the OP wants, and for what purpose. If he wants the 28 inch field model for hunting yeah the tang safety may be a benefit, however if he is looking for the 18 1/2 inch model for home defense and thinking about a pistol grip then the tang safety is useless, and I would buy the Maverick over the mossberg for this reason.

And to manbearpig. After about 1000 rounds through my Maverick it has gotten very smoooth as well. It is also a hell of alot lighter than an 870 as well for luggin through the bush all day. There is good and bad things about every gun. It all depends on the purpose it is being used for. The OP should help us out and make it clear.

 

[Claybuster]

thats very interesting, seeing that the reason for upgrading the single action bar of the Mossberg - and subsequently the Maverick - to a dual action bar design was to eliminate binding. the manufacturer itself even states that now 'All models feature dual extractors and twin action slide bars for positive, non-binding extraction and ejection'. strange that you seem to state the opposite: that dual action bars cause more binding.

I did not say that dual actions caused "more binding" what I said was that binding isn't a issue and single bars are not a drawback on a Mossberg product.

your statement that dual action bars are worse because:

...is absurd because the statement is just as true about - if not more applicable to - single action bar designs as well: if the action bar is slightly bent on a single action bar design the gun will bind brutally.

I never said a dual bar was "worse." What I said was I've seen more problems with them than the single bars when it comes to alignment particularly in the Chinese knockoffs.

ive handled an Ithaca 37 like this and it was extremely difficult to push the slide forward to chamber a shell. there are also tonnes of Ithaca 37 posts about rough actions/binding and a bent/damaged action bar being the culprit. as for the dual-action bar 870s: the design has been proven to be bombproof by civilians, LE and military. my 870s have gotten nothing but smoother with use and abuse.

The 870 is a very good shotgun and my current favourite among pump guns. I've owned several of them. It is a proven success as you say but so too in an earlier era were the 37, 1912 and the 1897. Dual action bars are not a huge advantage in a shotgun nor is a single bar action a huge drawback. That's my point and I believe I've made it sufficiently for this thread.

 

[Win/64]

thats very interesting, seeing that the reason for upgrading the single action bar of the Mossberg - and subsequently the Maverick - to a dual action bar design was to eliminate binding. the manufacturer itself even states that now 'All models feature dual extractors and twin action slide bars for positive, non-binding extraction and ejection'. strange that you seem to state the opposite: that dual action bars cause more binding.

your statement that dual action bars are worse because:

...is absurd because the statement is just as true about - if not more applicable to - single action bar designs as well: if the action bar is slightly bent on a single action bar design the gun will bind brutally.
ive handled an Ithaca 37 like this and it was extremely difficult to push the slide forward to chamber a shell. there are also tonnes of Ithaca 37 posts about rough actions/binding and a bent/damaged action bar being the culprit. as for the dual-action bar 870s: the design has been proven to be bombproof by civilians, LE and military. my 870s have gotten nothing but smoother with use and abuse.

Have you ever actually come in contact or actually shot a Shotgun? Or do you just read off the Remington Web Site? Shotguns are a lot of fun you should get outside and try it. I think it would make you a better person.

 

[Greenhorse six]

The U.S. miliatary did testing on that whole single action bar, dual action bar thing and found that the single action bar DID NOT bind any more then dual action bars ,this is mostly the result of marketing,"THIS IS BETTER , BUY IT NOW" B.S.

If you can get the mossberg, the maverick is good, but people do tend to look down on it as a poor cousin to the mossberg, both will serve you well.

 

[shootemup]

I love my maverick 88...with a hundred bucks worth of ATI goodies it is one tacticool home defender...

 

[pharaoh2]

so you have to actually own a Maverick to have the right to say...

Geez, this sounds just like your anti 710 bashing thread replies:

one does not need to actually buy one (Remington 710) to understand.....

i realize you Maverick fans love your Mavericks,

I don't own a Maverick. I asked because at the time I wanted a short general purpose shotgun. I elected to aquire another barrel for my 870 instead, but yes you need to actually own a gun before you have a right to bash it. And just like the 710, at the time I didn't own one of them either, but I do now and it hasn't blown up, fallen apart or given me cancer either. In fact, I like it.

Now believe it or not, any opinion you have against any gun, truck, wash cloth or table salt is irrelivant unless you have actually tried it and came to an informed conclussion. By going what the popular opinion is voids yours and discredits any info you may think your providing. Not everyone likes a tang safety; I've used push button switches from my very first shotgun and their second nature to me. I like them. Lots of guys do too.

Now this just wouldn't be right without you replying back saying I'm a this or that and smart people would see the value in, blah blah blah. Do me a favour, unless you actually own and or try a firearm that is the topic of discussion, don't provide an answer. Your taking up bandwidth and your opinion has been repeated thousands of other times by guys who also don't own the same gun in the discussion.

 

[98%Brent]

My 88 field was a nice little bargain at $200. The 28" vent rib version comes with removable accu-choke which is a nice feature to boot, in case you happen to point it at a bird or something.

Light, reliable, and parts galore for $40 more than a very basic fixed choke break barrel. I also found mine to loosen up after use and have never had an issue with it since I bought it.

I give it two fingers up.