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DLN21

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Good morning,

I've got a Traditions break-open loading muzzleloader that I recently put a new scope onto (Used the mirror trick to bring the scope to mechanical zero.)
and took it out the range the other day.
Long story short, I ran out of windage. Used a Wheeler magnetic laser to bore sight at 25 yds.
The elevation is prefect but cant seem to get the laser onto paper at 25 yards.
Cant get the laser any closer than 18 inches left of bullseye.

Would switching the rings around help?

Just curious if anybody on this forum ever ran into this problem and found any simple solutions.
Thanks in advance!
DLN21
 
Running out of windage is a surefire base alignment issue. Your receiver was probably drilled out of alignment so your bases are now misaligned. You will need to get a set of windage adjustable bases like the ones from Leupold.
 
Not certain I had heard of using a laser at a range? Before spending money, if it is hinge action, I assume the barrel can be removed from rifle? Lay the barrel with the mounted scope on sandbags - Unscrew the breech plug and bore sight with your eye down the bore to a target and compare to where your scope is pointing - can be done anywhere that you can hang an aiming point on a wall and have 15 to 20 feet distance - more distance is better. And / or, actually fire a shot at large piece of cardboard at 25 yards - 24" x 24" - confirm that the laser device you have is actually doing what maker says it does.

Usually find the optical centre on scope, then bore sight in shop to adjust bases or mounts as needed to get cross hairs close, then use scope adjustments at the range to "fine tune" the sighting in by shooting. I have not used the type that you describe - the Bushnell and Leupold ones I tried do not seem to get along with me, at all - both seem very dependant on how they are placed into or on the muzzle - I am way more confident in the Mark I eyeball peering down the bore to get scope crosshairs roughly aligned.

Not real unusual to find a muzzle not square to bore centre line; not real unusual to find a bore at the muzzle that is not centered in the barrel. So always questionable to depend on something attaching to the muzzle or the exterior of the barrel, unless verified.
 
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Potashminer said:
Not certain I had heard of using a laser at a range? Before spending money, if it is hinge action, I assume the barrel can be removed from rifle? Lay the barrel with the mounted scope on sandbags - Unscrew the breech plug and bore sight with your eye down the bore to a target and compare to where your scope is pointing - can be done anywhere that you can hang an aiming point on a wall and have 15 to 20 feet distance - more distance is better. And / or, actually fire a shot at large piece of cardboard at 25 yards - 24" x 24" - confirm that the laser device you have is actually doing what maker says it does.

Usually find the optical centre on scope, then bore sight in shop to adjust bases or mounts as needed to get cross hairs close, then use scope adjustments at the range to "fine tune" the sighting in by shooting. I have not used the type that you describe - the Bushnell and Leupold ones I tried do not seem to get along with me, at all - both seem very dependant on how they are placed into or on the muzzle - I am way more confident in the Mark I eyeball peering down the bore to get scope crosshairs roughly aligned.

Not real unusual to find a muzzle not square to bore centre line; not real unusual to find a bore at the muzzle that is not centered in the barrel. So always questionable to depend on something attaching to the muzzle or the exterior of the barrel, unless verified.
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+1 on this. My guess is the lazer is out of wack. Take it out of the equation as suggested above.
 
I’ve used a few lasers to try and bore sight and was always disappointed. I found the POI according to the laser always varied on which way the laser cartridge rotated as it was chambered or the end of the muzzle laser sighted was rotated; they would make a huge circle around what I was aiming at. As others have mentioned eyeballing down the bore and centring it on a target using a steady rest, then adjusting the scope to match had always gotten me on target.
 
I use a laser when installing iron sights to get them close to centre.
True "bore sighting" is effective if you have unimpeded vision of the bore and target.
 
how far is it off at 25? If just a little, switching rings might work.

for me, I just use the burris signature z rings in 1inch and 30mm. They have a plastic inner offset inserts graduated in 0moa/5moa/10moa/20moa sets. You can get up to 30moa of adjustment vertical or horizontal. The 30mm rings come with the full set included, the 1inch rings only have 0moa and the offset inserts are sold separately.
 
LeftFootOfDoom said:
for me, I just use the burris signature z rings in 1inch and 30mm. They have a plastic inner offset inserts graduated in 0moa/5moa/10moa/20moa sets. You can get up to 30moa of adjustment vertical or horizontal. The 30mm rings come with the full set included, the 1inch rings only have 0moa and the offset inserts are sold separately.
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