MDI/SLR .223 verses Lock hart raven .223
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Yes for sure, I had a couple of MS and a couple of varminters, but unfortunately they’re a bit out of my price range right now.
I have $3000 to spend and there’s an MDI on the EE , but I remember them getting some not so good reviews.
But that may be due to the fact they were being compared to the MS.
Raven looks promising once they solve the Carrier issue.
MDI is $3000
Raven will cost me $2700
rommelrommel
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Raven I worry about all the proprietary parts from a guy that hasn’t supported products in the past. If I were to buy one I’d be buying spares. By the time I bought those spares I’d probably have been further ahead to look at something else.
This. Exactly why I'll never consider a Raven, personally.
Had a Raven 5.56. Before firing I sent the upper in to be swapped as out of the box the barrel was down in the lower 3-6 o'clock area of the hand guard. That rifle couldn't put a round down range, pull.. click... primers struck but no action. Was not happy mortaring my brand new rifle for minutes to get the round out. This rifle however has a lot going for it if it works. Lightweight and familiar controls. I would definitely consider one when all the kinks are worked out.
Have you got a X95? Hell I have had a ton of fun with a 1k T97 g2. I seen a NR Bren2 go for $3600 last week..
Have you got a X95? Hell I have had a ton of fun with a 1k T97 g2. I seen a NR Bren2 go for $3600 last week..
SLR, IMO. It uses all of the proven AR parts, including bolt carriers that won't crack. The bad reviews they might have gotten were probably from early run guns, they ironed out a lot of the little issues over time (Which is fairly typical of newer manufacturers; I think they did fairly well given that it was a 'new' design, and their first). People rip on the upper/lower interface (it doesn't use pins like they're familiar with, and needs one tool to take down), but the fit between the upper and lower is excellent. Zero play, no need for the goofy wedge things people put in ARs. I always have a 3/16" hex driver in my range bag, as would most people. These aren't service rifles, I'd guess than 99-100% of their usage is somewhere that tools would be reasonably available.
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with the MS or the SLR, you cant go wrong with either. all standardized parts from a large number of manufacturers. I'd also wager some of the poor SLR reviews we're first-time AR builders using cheaper parts. All the SLRs and MS' i ever saw ran just as well as the quality of parts put in them.
I've only seen 2 ravens in person and the design concerns me to no end.
I've only seen 2 ravens in person and the design concerns me to no end.
It wasn't really cheaper parts that caused issues. On the earliest receivers sets MDI didn't chase any of the holes in the lower after coating them, which made the LPK installation difficult. Some people even cracked their receivers trying to force the pins in. Alot of people probably didn't have the correct punches either, which wouldn't have helped. Or common sense, it wasn't hard to tell that things were too tight and that something needed to be done about it.
MDI fixed that issue early on, but it was annoying for the early adopters.
I know the early trigger boxes didn't play nice with some cartridge triggers, but not sure if they tweaked that. People modified theirs to fit a TT, didn't sound like it was difficult to do. Regular triggers like the Geisseles were fine.
From what I remember most of the complaints revolved around the takedown bolt. It wasnt a pin, so a tool was needed and a few people weren't happy about that. The uppers all had steel helicoils, so wear wasn't a concern. That bolt did come loose on a few people, so use a dab of blue loctite or a lock washer.
All in all the SLRs were solid from a reliability standpoint.
MDI fixed that issue early on, but it was annoying for the early adopters.
I know the early trigger boxes didn't play nice with some cartridge triggers, but not sure if they tweaked that. People modified theirs to fit a TT, didn't sound like it was difficult to do. Regular triggers like the Geisseles were fine.
From what I remember most of the complaints revolved around the takedown bolt. It wasnt a pin, so a tool was needed and a few people weren't happy about that. The uppers all had steel helicoils, so wear wasn't a concern. That bolt did come loose on a few people, so use a dab of blue loctite or a lock washer.
All in all the SLRs were solid from a reliability standpoint.
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