The trigger pull on my M&P 40 is not that conducive to great accuracy. Try dry firing with snap caps to see if you're wobbling a bit during the take up. With a bit of concentration and practice you can tighten up those groups a bit. (Unless there really is an issue with the gun) Best of luck, I'm hitting a Tim's cup at 50 yards with about every third shot now, it's not a tack driver but it does what it's supposed to.
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Glocks and M&P's and any duty pistol for that matter are not target pistols. You want 1" groups at 25 yards buy a Cooey .22 rifle. If you want dead nuts reliability, a gun that manages to fire anything you run through it shoot a Glock or M&P. Shooting IPSC or IDPA where the majority of targets are within 15 yards the polymer pistols with their reasonably crisp and fairly light triggers with FO sights will serve you well. If you want to shoot less than 2" at 25 yards buy any pistol used in Olympic Free Pistol or a S&W 6" revolver and fill your boots. If you have talent the guns will do it. Most folks I see at IDPA/IPSC shoots aren't capable of shooting 2" groups with any pistol and that isn't a knock on their talents just plain reality. To be good they don't need to shoot that kind of accuracy. I know I can hardly focus on a 6" black circle at 25 yards let alone expect to hit it at 25 yards consistently and it isn't the gun. Truth be known most can't either.
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Bob
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Bob
There's one other possible path to better trigger discipline. Get a S&W revolver and ONLY EVER SHOOT IT IN DOUBLE ACTION MODE! ! ! !
Once you get good enough to group at around 1.5 inch at 10 yards ALL semi auto triggers will feel much better....
This is far from a condemnation of the S&W revolver trigger. In fact I love my S&W's. Instead it's the realization that the double action pull on a revolver is long and requires a firm finger. And since the S&W telegraphs absolutely zip all about when it's going to trip the hammer you have no recourse but to simply keep on pulling while holding the sight picture stable until it makes up its mind to let go of the hammer.
Once you get good enough to group at around 1.5 inch at 10 yards ALL semi auto triggers will feel much better....
This is far from a condemnation of the S&W revolver trigger. In fact I love my S&W's. Instead it's the realization that the double action pull on a revolver is long and requires a firm finger. And since the S&W telegraphs absolutely zip all about when it's going to trip the hammer you have no recourse but to simply keep on pulling while holding the sight picture stable until it makes up its mind to let go of the hammer.
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Try a few different bullet weights, sometimes it helps. Set up a few targets and then load up a few mags and use a rest. 115gr, 124gr, 147 gr. See what you are best at and stick to those. It is likely you and not the gun but if your M&P 9 is anything like my M&P 45 was, there is a bit of an adjustment to the trigger pull. (Or just stand closer, you get the effect of better accuracy without having to work to hard. Just kidding. Good luck and enjoy it. A bad day at the range beats a good day at the office!
Maybe this would help from another thread post #10.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...-so-accurate&p=8708346&viewfull=1#post8708346
Today I shot my M&P 9mm. It does not have the Apex trigger. I think it is a bit better than a stock Glock trigger, but not as good as M&P with Apex.
I tried 3 different loads (not much of a test). It looks like it likes the DRG 135gr lead RN bullet over 3.5 to 3.7 gr of TiteGroup. 3.7 is around 1000fps. This 25 yards, standing, 2 hands.
I tried 3 different loads (not much of a test). It looks like it likes the DRG 135gr lead RN bullet over 3.5 to 3.7 gr of TiteGroup. 3.7 is around 1000fps. This 25 yards, standing, 2 hands.
Some great info in this thread. Thanks.
Question that may apply: what is a shooter doing wrong when s/he shoots better with a heavier gun? Example, I can shoot a Shadow fairly well but tend to suck shooting the plastic guns. ...and in my case it's definitely me
Question that may apply: what is a shooter doing wrong when s/he shoots better with a heavier gun? Example, I can shoot a Shadow fairly well but tend to suck shooting the plastic guns. ...and in my case it's definitely me
Some great info in this thread. Thanks.
Question that may apply: what is a shooter doing wrong when s/he shoots better with a heavier gun? Example, I can shoot a Shadow fairly well but tend to suck shooting the plastic guns. ...and in my case it's definitely me
That comes down to weight of gun vs. weight of trigger.
Shooting well has everything to do with trigger control. Smooth press straight to the rear while concentrating on the front sight, and you'll get good hits no matter what the frame of your pistol is made of.
Grip, but also just as importantly, body mechanics, are what allows fast and accurate follow-up shots.
Look at your elbows when your arms are extended while gripping a pistol. If you are able to bend your elbows, the pistols recoil probably will too.
I find rolling my elbows toward each other a bit, and squeezing the sh!+ out of the gun makes for very flat shooting.
A Glock or M&P will also have a longer/heavier trigger pull than a CZ (or any DA/SA) in single action, so trigger press becomes more crucial as well on Striker-Fired guns, as they show our faults a little bit clearer than a really short/light trigger break will.
Eventually you can squeeze hard while isolating your trigger finger and allowing a smooth press to the rear(while concentrating on the front sight).
My M&P Pro has a 2.5# crisp trigger and won't shoot with my CZ 85 Combat or my last Shadow either free hand or from a rest. While your remarks are true enough relative to a heavy vs light trigger barrel lock up has a lot to do with the mechanical accuracy of any pistol. CZ's lock up differently than the Glocks and M&Ps and use a barrel bushing as well. If you don't think this has an effect on the mechanical accuracy of one gun over another then gunsmiths have been robbing folks for years fitting barrel bushings on 1911's and tightening slides etc.
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Bob
I get what you mean when it comes to target vs combat pistols, but at the end of the day, even striker-fired combat guns are more accurate than 99% of us.
When it comes to the average Joe shooting for fun, blaming the gun helps their ego more than their shooting.
I find it easier to be accurate with a 1911 than with my g19, but to me that just means that my Glock shows me my weaknesses as I have bad days shooting, not it... On a good day, I take the credit, so why would I blame the gun if I'm having a bad day? lol
For a short while I considered buying a target pistol for fun, but in the end decided to concentrate more on my fundamentals and saw that my Glock was exactly as accurate as me. Bullet holes don't lie.
I also have an m&p9 with some polished trigger parts from the previous owner. That gun is good at hiding any lack of trigger control that I have as I shot it quite a bit better than my g19 when I first got the glock. Now I shoot the glock better because I've learned how.
Yes and it depends on what are expectations are for accuracy. I doubt a Glock or M&P pistol is capable of shooting 10 rd 2" groups at 25 yards either rested, from a Ransom Rest or in the hands of the best Olympic style shooter. Three shots on the lucky day of the year maybe but not regularly. Aside from the shooter's ability you are faced with the fact ammunition and the gun itself plays apart. The likelihood of any striker fired pistol locking up the same way every time is outside the realms of possibility. The finest tuned target pistols struggle with the concept. Combat pistols with combat sights aren't capable of pinpoint accuracy. What you can do with a cheap bolt action .22lr Cooy likely cannot be replicated by all but the best target handguns.
black sunshine is right in that in most cases the bullet goes in the direction the barrel is pointed. Unfortunately that isn't always where the slide mounted sights are aiming. Just one reason why most quality revolvers will be more accurate than most pistols. Something about a fixed barrel and stationary sight systems. The real question is how much accuracy do you need for the purpose the gun is to be used for. Most of the striker fired pistols are marketed at and sold to LEO groups of one fashion or another. Carried lots and shot less and then at rather large targets at short range.
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Bob
ps I don't shoot significantly better with a tuned target pistol than I do with a stock M&P. A target shooter, I am not. LOL
For guns with sights fixed directly on to the barrel (revolvers and a very few semi autos), you are mostly correct, but even then no gun can ever possibly shoot like a laser beam, it's just physically not possible.
For guns with sights fixed to a reciprocating slide (almost all semi autos), you are mostly wrong: Lockup matters.
