Meat wastage

Deano

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I often hear folks complaining about wasted meat on big game, due to the impact of the bullet. I often wonder, how much wastage is actually there? I traditionally take aim for the heart/lung area on any animal. Usually braodside and right through the rib cage. I have also got a couple of neck shots, and a shoulder neck shot. Some resulted in more damage than others, but I would really have to say, that if you actually were able to weigh the actual "spoiled meat", it wouldn't add up to much. I have used a .50 cal muzzleloader and hit a deer tight through the rib cage. bullet did not strike a rib, just poked a .50 cal hole right through both lungs (missed the heart). Animal ran about 30 yards and fell over dead. Quick kill. No fuss, no muss. I did "ruin" some rib meat, but who freakin cares.

Why the complaining from folks? I would rather have an animal taken, and worry about, perhaps a pound or two (at most)of shot up meat, then one that got away, wounded, because I didn't use enough gun. I mean, the "wastage" is usually in the rib or neck area. That's hamburger or sausage anyway, who really cares? If you hit it in the hind quarters and it makes a mess of your roasts, then tough luck, practice at becomming a better shot or practice at having more patience at waiting for a better shot. Texas heart shots are not ethical, I feel.

I was recently at Wholesale sports in Winnipeg and some idiot was in there wanting to buy a .223. He wanted it for moose hunting. When the sales clerk suggested perhaps a .308 might be a better choice, clown customer says "Yeah, I used a 308 before and it made a mess and wasted too much meat and my buddy uses a .223 for moose and it works great"

Now two things came to mind here:

1. The clerks at these places get a bit of a bum wrap from us gunnutz some times. I talked to the clerk after and he said he gets guys like this and other really stupid people daily. I couldn't imagine having to deal with clown customers like this every day, and still put a smile on. I would become jaded pretty fast. The guy sold him a .223, because after all, the customer is always right, right?

2. Meat wastage. If anyone actually compares what it costs to hunt, versus what it actually costs to buy meat in a store, it is painfully obvious that we hunters are not hunting to save money on meat. When you add up license, rifle, scope, ammo, gas, vehicle, accomodation, etc on a hunting trip, the cost per pound of wild game is extremely expensive. Simply put, we do not hunt for the cheap meat, we hunt because we enjoy the sport of hunting. Who gives a crap about at most, a couple of pounds of poor quality neck/chest/rib meat on a deer or moose. I mean really. A good sized deer will give plenty of good quality meat. Even if you just took the backstrap and loins, there's plenty there.

I guess I just really can't see the logic here. I mean, a big wound channel means that the bullet did what it is supposed to do and that the animal (most likely) died a quick death. That is the hunters duty. To make a clean kill and harvest the animal. Quit #####ing about wastage of meat and be glad that you took the animal. USE ENOUGH GUN!

Okay, my rant is over, flame away if you want.
 
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.223 for moose in Alberta is illegal.(must be .23cal. or larger)
Unless our friend is of the chosen variety(aboriginal) he is intending to break the law. Go figure.
I agree, I would sooner loose a few pounds of meat as opposed to the whole animal.
Before the syntax Natzi's jump all over me, I do not prescribe to to the use of varmint bullets on big game, but I certainly dont abolish the use of a poly tipped bullet as long as common sense prevails.
As the old addage goes " at what part of the animals demise did the projectile fail"

OOPS. Just noticed your in Manitoba, so what do the regs there say about minimal caliber?
 
What goes around comes around ... thirty or so years ago, the same type of boneheads that today want to use their [military surplus rounds ?] .223's on moose , were in yesteryear espousing the .30 M1's as "just the thing" ... for deer and moose. Cheap, easy to use and didn't waste much meat.
 
I know a number of aboriginal hunters who use 22WMR RIMFIRE's to take deer. Granted, it's from near-point blank ranges into an eye socket, but still... :yikes:

I also know a fellow who swears by the Hornet as a deer killer.
 
Lefty #### said:
OOPS. Just noticed your in Manitoba, so what do the regs there say about minimal caliber?

I believe the regs here in MB specify only centerfire, not caliber. I'll double check that.
 
beretta boy said:
Cheap, easy to use and didn't waste much meat.

What exactly does that mean? "didn't waste much meat." That is the whole point of my rant. Why are guys so hung up on meat wastage? Unless someone intentionally aims for the meaty part of an animal like the rump, I don't think anything, including a 12 gauge slug, is going to waste any meat. A guy spends $1000 on a rifle ans scope, $30.00 on ammo, $40.00 on a license, $200 on gas and $120.00 at the butcher and he's worried about 1 pound of hamburger? Wastage is the neccessary by product of shooting an animal. That's why slaughterhouses use a spike to the head. Because when they process thousands of animals per day and if they lost 2 pounds per animal, that would add up.

Maybe Gatehouse is onto something with his spear. He doesn't want to waste any meat. Guys who are hung up on meat wastage should take headshots.
 
keep your bullets out of the hindquarters and you usually fair pretty good on your chance of some good eatin'
 
I have lost a fair about of meat over the years to bullet shots, now that was with a 338 wm. The worst was I had a face on shot on a whitetail the buck was moving and the shot atually hit left of centre. that one bullet hit the front shoulder and dead on the bone on the hind. I lost most of both quarters. I have since gotten a 270 and it's not nearly the problem.
 
PM me on this one... What's the smallest calibre for game in southern Ontario? can you go .270 winchester to get around the no rifle season thing, or do I have to go buy a 12-guage?
 
Deano said:
should take headshots.
:eek: :rolleyes:

oh no don't open that can of worms


Unless you plan on passing your shot through a large meaty part of the animal your not going to get a lot of wastage. Now shots that go through large meaty parts are not usually the best shots for killing.

I prefer head shots myself where ever possiable, but a lung shot will always work. I think I run about 50% head - neck and 50% heart - lung shots. Whatever the critter offers me for a target. :)
 
And here we go again with the "How Small Is Big Enough" show.

There's a lot of guys out there that need to learn how to shoot and learn some discipline on what shots they take. Mind you, you can get unlucky too. I busted the offside leg of a small mulie buck and ruined a lot of meat. As luck would have it the bullet struck the offside leg squarely. Whaddya gonna do? it also pulped his heart and lungs and he dropped like a stone. So in that regard it's hard to complain, but I sure wish I'd hit him an inch farther back.
 
I usually process somewhere between a hundred and 160 moose a year--I see a lot of wasted meat. Most of that waste results from how the animal was handled after the kill--not waste from the shot itself--always some of that. A big game round hitting the ball joint in the front shoulder or the back bone in the hump area results in a lot more than a couple of pounds--still, even with bone shards and hydrostatic shock, it shouldn't amount to that much.
Don't get me going on multiple shots however.
 
Put it through the ribs and there should be very little waste.The two deer I shot with my 30.06 both heart/lung shots the only waste was I clip the front leg on the opposite side very little waste though.My wife uses the 7mm-08,daughter shoots .243 put the bullet through the cage and there shouldn't be any waste at all.Shot placement is basically the number one factor!:)
 
There are a number of issues being discussed here, but if I may please zero in on "meat wastage"........

I am a meat hunter, and all of my hunting buddies are meat hunters. If the meat has a fabulous rack, by golly that is a bonus but we don't eat the antlers.

You can lose a LOT of meat by a shot that hits bone. I have seen whitetails that we lost an entire front quarter because a close rifle shot hit the shoulder blade and turned everything there into jelly. I have seen broadheads that caused horrendous damage (black, bloodshot jelly and unfit to eat) of entire front quarters. I have seen an entire front HALF of a deer lost becuase of an unfortunate 12 gauge slug hit.

So yes indeed, it is possible to lose a lot of meat. I do my own butchering and thereby save a fair bit of meat that a commercial butcher cannot hope to save because it just takes too long to worry about a few spoonsful of meat. But it is no lie to say I have seen deer where at least 20% of the meat is lost because of shot damage in the FRONT quarters. And yes, I have seen even more loss from anaimals that were hit in the hind quarters. Meat loss to shot is not insignificant.

Doug
 
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7mm-08 said:
Put it through the ribs and there should be very little waste. ... Shot placement is the number one factor!:)

When I lived in Saskatchewan and was hunting every species I could, I got into the habit of recording my kill data. For every animal I shot, I would write the date, place species and range on the case with a felt marker. After many years I compiled the results, adding from memory.

My average deer (Whitetail and Mule) kill was a broadside standing shot within 100 yds. From the records most of the clean kills were through and through heart, lung, ribcage shots. Most of those animals startled and ran a short distance before plowing in. Naturally, those animals that were not one-shot kills needed a second or third shot, which was invariably not square on or standing still.

As for spoiled meat, I learned how to not shoot at major muscle groups, like the hind quarters or front shoulders, or anywhere near the spine. I never worried about head shots or neck shots. But bleeding does travel between muscles so some wastage is to be expected.
 
Doug

I agree with you. A poorly placed shot can waste lots of meat. What I am ranting about is the fact that some clowns figure that to compensate for poor shot selection, they should use ever smaller and smaller cartidges. If you put one through the shoulder, your going to ruin meat, regardless of the calibre you are using. The difference between a .308 buillet and a .375 bullet going through the ribcage is.067 inches, not much. However, if you hit the hindquarters or shoulders, either round is going to ruin meat.

It always boils down to shot placement.
 
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