MEC Marksman press - ITAR controlled?

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So my brother bought an MEC Marksman press online, had it shipped to a US post office box. He said that when he opened the box there was a piece of paper saying it was ITAR controlled and couldn't be exported, and so he had to return it. He also said that he bought other MEC brand gear at the same time and none of the other stuff had that letter.

So what's the deal? Is this specific press ITAR? My understanding was reloading tools are not controlled goods? Is it just MEC covering their own asses without really caring if it's actually ITAR?

I didn't see the paper, but I don't have a particular reason to think my brother is lying (other than the fact that he often won't be straight with me).
 
Some automated presses (fully automated, not just auto-progressive) are ITAR controlled. The kinds of presses commercial reloaders use mostly. There are also a lot of exemptions to ITAR specifically for Canada that don't apply to other countries so they may put it in there in general but it may not apply to Canada.

The notice in the box may have been the lawyers covering their butts even though it isn't necessarily true?
 
There is also having the proper export license even if they are not controlled items. They have been cracking down on that lately.
 
LUTNIT said:
Some automated presses (fully automated, not just auto-progressive) are ITAR controlled. The kinds of presses commercial reloaders use mostly. There are also a lot of exemptions to ITAR specifically for Canada that don't apply to other countries so they may put it in there in general but it may not apply to Canada.

The notice in the box may have been the lawyers covering their butts even though it isn't necessarily true?
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But it's a single stage press, as basic as they get...
 
You know a piece of paper that says ITAR doesn't really make it ITAR, right? And the opposite is also true: just because nothing says an item is ITAR doesn't mean it isn't. Whoever wants to export the press (or anything else) should use a source more reliable than a piece of paper inserted in the box imho.
 
VinnyQC said:
You know a piece of paper that says ITAR doesn't really make it ITAR, right? And the opposite is also true: just because nothing says an item is ITAR doesn't mean it isn't. Whoever wants to export the press (or anything else) should use a source more reliable than a piece of paper inserted in the box imho.
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Oh totally. It just struck me as odd. When he told me this I was like well that sounds like bull####, as presses are not ITAR. He wasn't about to take the risk though.

I was just wondering if anyone had some insight about this particular incident, maybe someone had some info about this press being itar for some specific reason that doesn't cover most other presses or something...
 
Suther said:
So my brother bought an MEC Marksman press online, had it shipped to a US post office box. He said that when he opened the box there was a piece of paper saying it was ITAR controlled and couldn't be exported, and so he had to return it. He also said that he bought other MEC brand gear at the same time and none of the other stuff had that letter.
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Just so we all understand correctly, he "opend the box and send it back with is contents". Was that after he travelled to his PO box in the states or after he received itn in Canada?

Also if it is not ITAR why did he not bring it back through the land/air crossing back into Canada?
 
riversrest said:
Just so we all understand correctly, he "opend the box and send it back with is contents". Was that after he travelled to his PO box in the states or after he received itn in Canada?

Also if it is not ITAR why did he not bring it back through the land/air crossing back into Canada?
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He said he picked it up at his US PO box and returned it before returning to Canada. I don't know the details beyond that.

If it's not ITAR, he certainly didn't know it wasn't as he sent it back.
 
ITAR is a cruel mistress. I have dealt with it, I generally try and avoid ITAR controlled items as they can occasionally be no issue, or they get held in customs for three months. That being said, I have never really run into any commercial reloading equipment that is ITAR controlled. Component manufacturing equipment is controlled if manufactured in USA. However you can get header presses for making projectiles and cases made in Canada.

Most people who classify things as ITAR controlled even though it is not do it as a CYA as running afoul ITAR can be a business ending mistake, hence best practices dictate an abundance of caution.
 
BlackSheepBrass said:
ITAR is a cruel mistress. I have dealt with it, I generally try and avoid ITAR controlled items as they can occasionally be no issue, or they get held in customs for three months. That being said, I have never really run into any commercial reloading equipment that is ITAR controlled. Component manufacturing equipment is controlled if manufactured in USA. However you can get header presses for making projectiles and cases made in Canada.

Most people who classify things as ITAR controlled even though it is not do it as a CYA as running afoul ITAR can be a business ending mistake, hence best practices dictate an abundance of caution.
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More like an extortion racket--the Shrub got this brilliant idea about wanting gov agencies to self-finance and bypass Congressional "power of the purse", and then Grifter Hillary came in and turned State Dept and DDTC in general into her personal mafia.
 
Pretty plainly stated in the regs that reloading TOOLS are exempt, however there are some outfits that don't want to ship up here, as it is too much work and then won't ship anything related to firearms and ammo, whether it is restricted or not. Plenty of other places to buy it, that won't spook you like that. Likely the only reason they shipped it was it was to a US address. Very likely they won't ship it across the border.
 
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