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Franklin Armory Binary Firing System

What would be the legal status of this "binary trigger" in Canada (mechanical description around the 7:00 mark)...

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prohib ?
 
If just a stock/grip that let's you bump fire, is prohibited. I'd bet a entire trigger, that let's you fire more than one round per pull would also be prohibited.
 
a) Prohib in Canada, without a question.

b) Don't care anyway. It looks too easy to screw up, leaving a live round in the chamber with the hammer down (and that's a very bad thing). And I am un-fond of the concept of a gun that fires when you both depress AND release the trigger. That strikes me as a safety issue waiting to happen.
 
If just a stock/grip that let's you bump fire, is prohibited. I'd bet a entire trigger, that let's you fire more than one round per pull would also be prohibited.

it is a complete trigger group which releases the hammer on pull and on release. While the trigger is squeezed, it behaves as a regular semi-auto trigger, ie. the disconnector catch the hammer.
 
Criminal Code, Section 84(1):

Automatic firearm means a firearm that is capable of, or assembled or designed and manufactured with the capability of, discharging projectiles in rapid succession during one pressure of the trigger.​

The Firearms Lab. would try to argue that releasing the trigger is inherent in pressing the trigger, but I disagree; that would be a cycle, not a pressure.

If it only fires one round when the trigger is pressed, and you can hold it back without bouncing off another (*bump*), that to me meets the definition of ‘during one pressure.’

(N.b., I would consider such a device to be rather un-safe, unless it has a quick way to dis-engage the second hammer fall. Even then, it would be a range-only toy, and I would recommend a lot of practice to become familiar.)
 
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1) Any electrical or mechanical device that is designed or adapted to operate the trigger mechanism of a semi-automatic firearm for the purpose of causing the firearm to discharge cartridges in rapid succession.}

Catch all clause, but the standard trigger itself can discharge cartridges in rapid succession if pulled fast enough. Too bad we are stuck with garbage legislation that is the Firearms Act.
 
2 rounds per pull of the trigger...

This.



define "pull of the trigger" ? ie. do "pull" include "release" ? These are two separate mechanical action.

A complete cycle requires releasing the trigger. You can't pull it and then pull it again without releasing it. Thus two rounds per pull. That would be a fairly simple bit of logic for the RCMP.
 
When you release the trigger you want to stop firing, not fire another round. Say you have the trigger trapped back after making a shot and the situations dynamic has changes to where it is no longer safe to fire a round. Now what? I would have to agree with it not being a very safe item to have on a firearm.
 
Criminal Code, Section 84(1):

Automatic firearm means a firearm that is capable of, or assembled or designed and manufactured with the capability of, discharging projectiles in rapid succession during one pressure of the trigger.​

The Firearms Lab. would try to argue that releasing the trigger is inherent in pressing the trigger, but I disagree; that would be a cycle, not a pressure.

If it only fires one round when the trigger is pressed, and you can hold it back without bouncing off another (*bump*), that to me meets the definition of ‘during one pressure.’

(N.b., I would consider such a device to be rather un-safe, unless it has a quick way to dis-engage the second hammer fall. Even then, it would be a range-only toy, and I would recommend a lot of practice to become familiar.)

Check the video, the hammer is held back by the disconnector as in a normal semi-auto. The range-toy discussion is irrelevant as it's for an AR-15 which *is* a range-only toy anyway. I could see a definitive advantage in 3-gun or CQB / IPSC type match.
 
When you release the trigger you want to stop firing, not fire another round. Say you have the trigger trapped back after making a shot and the situations dynamic has changes to where it is no longer safe to fire a round. Now what? I would have to agree with it not being a very safe item to have on a firearm.

Hold trigger back. Drop mag. Cycle action.
 
Would be fun for an hour then I'd probably never use it again unless I was letting someone else try it.
I don't want to go through ammo any faster than I do already. Would also be a total waste of money with our five round magazine capacity limits, even with ten rounds it would be ghay.

Guaranteed this is prohib here and therefore not worth worrying too much about.
I'm not sure why so many people try so hard to find a way to shoot full auto. You can't hit much and it's really hard on your rifle and wallet.
Don't get me wrong though, with proper training and maybe a special condition added to your RPAL I think we should be allowed to own and use full auto firearms at and away from the range. In my head a gun is a gun and if it's safe for me to own one I should be allowed to own any. The restricted firearms only at a range is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. If it's safe for me to use one firearm on crown or private land it should be safe to use any other firearm there as well.
 
I'd like to try one for sh!tz 'n giggles but I wouldn't buy one personally. I ain't got THAT much ammo to burn and way too many stoppages for my liking.
 
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