MFS in M-14?
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After a day at the range and almost 200 threw the gun I started to notice cycling issues. Went home to clean my rifle and found my gas piston was cramed full of carbon. Scraped it out went to the range again and this time before the 300 mark same resaults. I ended up thinking thank god I only got a 500 round pack as this is the dirtest crap I have used. Also the need for scrubing the bore to remove the laquer build up made me to believe that the price does reflect the product. Also this ammo had the most eratic groupings of ammo I have ever used in a M14. So if you want some ammo just to go blasting sure sounds good. Just don't expect that great of accuarcy. Plus be prepared for 1 dirty rilfe to clean after.
Hmmm....thanks...interesting. I use MFS 7.62 Soviet in my CZ 858. The gun really prefers the MFS to the Czech surplus, however, the MFS seems to be really dirty. Accuracy seems to be about the same as surplus.
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I find it to be pretty accurate in my 305. Better than most. I wouldn't call it any dirtier than anything else I've used.
Hotwheels81
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Shoots good in my M14, many sub 2" groups at 100M
Maybe not super clean ammo but non corrosive and cheap!
I will be grabbing 500rnds more shortly.
Maybe not super clean ammo but non corrosive and cheap!
I will be grabbing 500rnds more shortly.
Rocket Surgery
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You're going to get mixed reviews of this ammo. I think the gun is the major factor at play here because mine likes it but many others say it's crap. It could be different batches however. I shot 80 rounds of the soft point stuff, and got 2 inch or better groups, which I think is pretty average.
Quick question for those who weld shut their gas systems, how do you clean your piston? I was told by a guy that this was better than shimming for accuracy.
Quick question for those who weld shut their gas systems, how do you clean your piston? I was told by a guy that this was better than shimming for accuracy.
As others have mentioned, it is cheap, non-corrosive and reasonably accurate when compared to corrosive surplus.
Personally, I have run through ~ 1400 rounds of MFS this year through my Norc and have not run across any misbehaviors - yet. It has been fairly consistent in it's groupings (and I consider a 10 shot group) and the cleanup of the rifle after, IMHO, is not too bad when compared to other brands and certainly less than when using corrosive.
Get a few hundred and run them through your rifle. It'll give you a good idea on what to expect before committing to a large bulk purchase.
Personally, I have run through ~ 1400 rounds of MFS this year through my Norc and have not run across any misbehaviors - yet. It has been fairly consistent in it's groupings (and I consider a 10 shot group) and the cleanup of the rifle after, IMHO, is not too bad when compared to other brands and certainly less than when using corrosive.
Get a few hundred and run them through your rifle. It'll give you a good idea on what to expect before committing to a large bulk purchase.
[Quick question for those who weld shut their gas systems, how do you clean your piston? I was told by a guy that this was better than shimming for accuracy.[/QUOTE]
The gas system doesn't get welded shut... the front band gets welded to the cylinder. So piston can be cleaned as normal.
The gas system doesn't get welded shut... the front band gets welded to the cylinder. So piston can be cleaned as normal.
Yes also known as unitizing however its still not going to take up the slack like shimming will with a sloppy gas system.
For the 10$ get a shim kit it made an outstanding difference on my rifle.
As for the MFS stuff i havnt had a chance to try it out yet in full . My concern would be a broken extractor courtesy of the steel casing.
For the 10$ get a shim kit it made an outstanding difference on my rifle.
As for the MFS stuff i havnt had a chance to try it out yet in full . My concern would be a broken extractor courtesy of the steel casing.
Are you sure there's a lacquer on the zinc plated case? I thougt the idea of zinc was to avoid the lacquer...
Maybe the other people on here got a different batch than what I got but this stuff I shoot from a black box marked MFS gave me nothing but grief. Yes I did notice build up in my chamber & yes I was getting some groups around 2.5" inches but then the next mag it would be like 4" and then some at 3" and yet some at 5" all done on a cool, dry non-windy day using a bipod. Yes I do turn off my gas value to clean my barrel and yes I do run my gas sytem dry. No I never had this much grief shooting any other ammo threw this rifle and no I have never shoot the corrosive S&B stuff. This is all real world experance and in my real world this stuff fustrated me beyond belief. The amount of pataches I had to through down the barrel. It felt like all I was doing was brass brushing then patching for over a half an hour. Never mind the crap I was cleaning out the gas sytem & chamber. It took me over a can of brake cleaner to clean it. Nevermind the fact that I let it sit with wipeout in the barrel for atleast an hour. I expected it to not be as nice as AE or Wincheaster but still what a turn off. As for sub 2" groups we are talking about a 100 meters not 25 right?
Ah well maybe it's time to return to my computer comando day job. But all those plaining on buying this ammo I would just say spend the extra 20 something dollars and get the AE and save yourself the grief.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=611489
Ah well maybe it's time to return to my computer comando day job. But all those plaining on buying this ammo I would just say spend the extra 20 something dollars and get the AE and save yourself the grief.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=611489
Satain: Interesting. Do you have the batch numbers and/or date of manufacture your lot ? Perhaps you got a bad batch or maybe their QC is not as consistent as we are led to believe ? Definately worth investigating further. Did you try it in any other .308 firearm to see if this inconsistency continued ?
Also several hundred rounds. Dirty yes, especially along the cartage case after (due to the steel not expanding). But for anything under 300m it's fine. Cheap counts when you fire a lot of rounds in a day.
Will be doing a 500m shoot this weekend with it.
Question, can the steel cases be reloaded?
Cannot reload the steel case.
i've ran 300-400 rounds through my m305, no issues at all, my buddy was getting stovepiping with remington rounds, ever since he went to the mfs rounds, he hasn't had a single problem either.
i clean my gun at the end of the day after shooting, haven't noticed it being any dirtier
i clean my gun at the end of the day after shooting, haven't noticed it being any dirtier
Rocket Surgery
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Interesting, I've been holding back my m305 shooting until I can get an M14doc cqb composite stock. The chu wood may ride again. I'm going to bench my rifle and see what 100 rounds of MFS 145fmj will do to 100y, and a cleaning rod. I was trying not to shoot the thing!
Hotwheels81
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The MFS 308 is berdan primed just FYI
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Very dirty in my experience. The red sealant/lacquer around the primer gets all over the grease on the bolt and receiver and the amount of black powder residue is bad. I would rather pay the bit extra and shoot PRVI brass cased, so that I can save them to reload in the future. The MFS stuff is pretty much the same price as the PRVI but without the cost of the brass included.
Did I mention I hate cleaning because I detail them every time. This ammo really adds to my grief...
Did I mention I hate cleaning because I detail them every time. This ammo really adds to my grief...
