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The NCRRA is considering running a one day competition at Connaught this summer intended for AR pattern rifles. We have borrowed/adapted the NRA's new match format that has ARs shot in a manner similar to a TR/F-Class competition prone, at midrange (300, 500, 600m) on DCRA TR targets (1 MOA V-Bull). We are looking at offering an Open, and CAF/LE (using issue equipment and ammo) division.

Draft rules are here: Midrange AR Competition Rules

We'd rather get feedback now than run it and either have nobody show up, or screw it up completely!

So, what do you think?

Cheers,

Scott
 
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I would run with TR sized scoring rings... 2 MOA 5 ring, 1 MOA V bull.

Most AR's even with "match" barrels are not MOA capable... I would call them solid 1.5 MOA rifles. [note, with f class targets you are scored on the bullet impact NOT the average group size so you have to go by the furthest shots away from center to calculate accuracy. Your accuracy is judged by the worst shots, not the best case average]

I am working on tweaking my rifle and just got sub MOA results at 100yds... hoping for better but this is not the norm and most rifles will not be set up as I have done. I posted my results on the Black rifle forum.

For milspec rifles, I would suspect 2 to 3 MOA with service ammo would be about it.

All mag fed ammo?

Jerry

PS, I would suggest adding a bean bag rear rest as that is typical of what is inservice.... the beer can looking bags.
 
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My KAC SR15 Mod 2 stock is a sub MOA rifle with a tailored load, if i do my part this rifle will perform all day this way...

Top shelf rifle in my book... JP.
 
My Bog Std (rack grade) 20" 1/7 Colt AR15A4 is capable of 2.5 MOA ten round groups
Pretty inconsistent performance between different factory ammo brands and bullet weights.

I think you will essentially see that a competition like this will be best served by custom precision platforms
 
I would be interested but don't know about 600m. I'm a member there and have shot up to 300 meters there with my AR without the use of a bipod but not any further out than that. We usually shoot 100 to 300m when we have range time.
 
Riflechair said:
I think you will essentially see that a competition like this will be best served by custom precision platforms
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True, but that's not what we are going for here! We want guys to bring their NORMAL ARs out and see what they can do! If we need to modify the rules to get more people into the Open division we can certainly look at that too, or have a "Milspec" division for people running off the rack ARs, and leave open for the guys with custom space guns.

At the end of the day were just looking to get a few more people out to see how much fun "competitions" can be, and get a chance to stretch the legs on rifles that may only ever see 100-300m.
 
What you are proposing would be a hoot and I think alot of shooters would really like it.

I am really not sure how to make up the rules to provide a cutoff of performance to try and level the field.

You will see some dramatic differences in performance based on barrel set up but the stampings and appearance could look very similar

I like the trigger pull weight as that will stop alot of match triggers being used.

Jerry
 
I don't care what you say the intent is....this is F-class with an AR. External add-ons for support (Bi-pods, front bags, slings are all okay) but resting on the mag...the mag every AR HAS TO HAVE to function is prohibited?

14 lb rifles? What? Who's carrying 14 lb rifles around?
1.5 MOA Bull, 1 MOA V for "rack grade" rifles with issued ammo? 14 lb rack grade rifles?

If you want a prone only CofF for AR type rifles just shoot the Deliberate stages from NSCC. Use the rules form there too. It's all been done. All you need to do us grab some Fig 12s, and draw circles for the Vs and you are away with a match.

There ain't nothing "Service Rifle" about this course of fire. Service Rifle in Canada does not mean a rifle of a type issued to military and police members. It refers to the competiton and the conditions under which it is conducted.

I think you will get as much or more traction with this event in the Precision Rifle forum. That is what this course of fire is geared toward.
 
For the record, this was originally posted in the Long Range forum and it was suggested that it be moved here. We didn't come up with these rules, the NRA did, and we just figured it might be fun to try up here. I am not an experienced SR shooter, but I have shot an AR off the mag and off a bipod, and I am stumped why people would want to use the mag for deliberate singles if a bipod, or field expedient front support was available.

Are we expecting anyone to score perfect? Of course not! But those are the targets we have. Is it closer to F-Class/TR than SR? Maybe. But rather than crapping on it because it isn't SR can you help us improve on the idea? You've got some people willing to spend the time putting it together, we're just looking for input from experienced and/or interested shooters on what it could/should be.
 
I doubt there is anyone with an AR that reads that forum and not this one. There is already a redirect there anyway pointing to this thread thats good for a few months...
 
Have a look at V-Tac barricades. They are light and easy to move around. Incorporating some of those and some side-to-side movement may appeal to both SR and 3 Gun shooters.

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I saw this a few days ago and it seemed like a gas gun F-class match. Not my cup of tea, but the first change I would make is to open it up to all semi's in .223 and 7.62. Sigs, ACRs Tavors, and the like should all be welcome.
 
Thank you for your feed back. Let me reiterate, this matches intent is for people to concentrate on Marksmanship and to allow people with AR and AR type rifles, who do not shoot SR, to shoot at longer ranges. We will accept any legal "military pattern" 223/5.56 semi auto rifle and if there enough demand we will include 308 (AR10, M1). Even though the V-Bull is 1 MOA, the target frames are large and even the most novice long range shooter should be able to get on target and score points. This would be a good match for people to shoot at Connaught before NSCC.
 
It would be really easy to just run Matches 1, 5, 9 and 13 from the NSCC course of fire. All the prone deliberate matches. Would allow folks to concentrate on marksmanship and contribute directly to a warm up for NSCC. A one day shoot, two ranges in the morning, two in the afternoon. If there was the desire to add a 600 stage, just use the match from the precision course of fire. Drop the 200 if necessary to reduce the time requirement.
Allow the same rifles and the same conditions as NSCC.
 
Barry Price said:
Thank you for your feed back. Let me reiterate, this matches intent is for people to concentrate on Marksmanship and to allow people with AR and AR type rifles, who do not shoot SR, to shoot at longer ranges. We will accept any legal "military pattern" 223/5.56 semi auto rifle and if there enough demand we will include 308 (AR10, M1). Even though the V-Bull is 1 MOA, the target frames are large and even the most novice long range shooter should be able to get on target and score points. This would be a good match for people to shoot at Connaught before NSCC.
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If you want this to be an NSCC warm up, shoot it like NSCC. Same targets, same equipment. Lose the bi-pods and bags. Shoot off the mag.

Like tiriaq says, shoot the NSCC deliberate stages. I'd even say use a Fig12 on a 4 foot for 600.
 
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