MIL-s-3443g US mil Spec for pump shotguns.

brianmason

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Hey threre,

I found the mil spec 3443g.. For those who care. This is the spec that the mossy 590a1 met.

Its at this address, also downloadable in a PDF:

http://www.everyspec.com/MIL-SPECS/MIL+SPECS+(MIL-S)/MIL-S-3443G_4585/

If i had to replace my 870, i would get a 590a1.. In my opinion better dollar value.

I like the endurance portion:

3.17.5 Endurance.

3.17.5.1 Lot acceptance. Shotguns shall be capable of
withstanding the firing of 3,000 rounds with no unserviceable, or
broken parts and no more than three (3) malfunctions using
standard commercial 12-gauge, 2 3/4-inch, 00 buckshot (9
pellets), maximum load shells. Type I shotguns shall include M7
bayonet and scabbard as specified in 3.3.1.a.

3.17.5.2 First article test. Three shotguns shall be
capable of withstanding the firing of a total of 3000 rounds each
with no unserviceable, detached or broken parts, no more than
three (3) malfunctions per a single weapon, and no more than six
(6) malfunctions total on the three weapons. The ammunition
shall be as specified in 3.17.5.1. Type I shotguns shall include
M7 bayonet and scabbard as specified in 3.3.1.a.

3.17.6 Rough handlinq. Shotguns shall be capable of
withstanding the impact when dropped from a height of four feet
onto a hard surface without causing the weapon to be unsafe or
unserviceable. This shall apply throughout the temperature range
of -20 to +120°F. Type I shotguns shall include M7 bayonet and
scabbard as specified in 3.3.1.b.

3.17.7 Chemical resistance. Plastic parts shall not be
affected by standard government insect repellents (0-I-503),
small arms lubricants (MIL-L-14107, MIL-L-46000, MIL-L-46150),
small arms cleaner and preservative (MIL-L-63460), gasoline (VVG-
1690), diesel fuel (VV-F-800), Preservative oil (MIL-L-3150)
and dry cleaning solvent (P-D-680).
 
ABCZAR said:
Lets start another 870 vs 590A1 thread.......
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manbearpig said:
AFAIK the 870 didnt fail this test, it was just never submitted.
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That is correct. Remington did not submit any guns for testing. Therefore it is really just speculation as to how the 870 would have fared; and that's why the legendary (and imaginary) debate continues to this day... ;)
 
I managed to find the mil-spec. I also knew that the 870 wasnt submitted for the trials...

i didnt mention anything about an 870, doing the milspec.

you can get a 590a1 for $500-600

you can get a 870 police for $750 plus.

Thats the difference.
 
brianmason said:
I managed to find the mil-spec. I also knew that the 870 wasnt submitted for the trials...

i didnt mention anything about an 870, doing the milspec.

you can get a 590a1 for $500-600

you can get a 870 police for $750 plus.

Thats the difference.
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Don't take it too personally; the whole 870 vs. 590 debate comes up as often as .45 vs. 9mm and what gun is best for bear defense... Guys just get a bit touchy whenever any thread come up that could head in that direction. No harm done, hopefully. The Mil Spec was definitely an interesting read; thanks for posting it.
 
I believe that pretty much any quality name brand shotgun could pass these tests, with minimal upgrades at most. After all, the U.S. military has in the past bought various "off the shelf" shotguns to send to the festivities in Vietnam, which IMO is a more guelling test than any contrived in a lab.

Only the cheaper brands such as the Stevens 77 seemed to have serious issues there.
 
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