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Hey guys, Looking for a scope that has a mil dot reticule, mil turrets and is first focal plane. Asking because there doesn't seem to be many options

What do you recommend? I was going to get a used leupold mk 4 ( because you cant get them new anymore ) but it sold already.

Are there cheaper options? a list of scopes at at different price points would be nice.



Also Ive seen scopes with mil turrets for windage but the zeroing dial was in moa. Is that normal? I also prefer meters to yards if thats going to marked on the scope.

Thanks
 
Does it absolutely have to be a classic mildot reticle? There's a lot of other "Mil" based reticles like the EBR1 reticle on my FFP Viper 6-24x50 PST.

You'll only usually see mismatched (MIl/MOA) turrets and reticles on cheaper scopes I believe.

Cheers.
 
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Actual "mildot" reticles are nearly obsolete now having been modernized to stadia lines that are in miliradians rather than the hoard of little "gob" dots in a line in 4 directions.
Most modern scopes now have turrets that are in the same unit of measure as the reticle is, so MOA with MOA and Mils with Mils.
For some weird reason Leupold for years offered their MK4 scopes with MOA turrets yet only mil scale reticles. This just changed in the last year or 2 then they quit civilian sales of all MK4 products.

Personally I would look at the recent Vortex PST Gen 2 scopes they can be had in both FFP and 2FP as well as MOA or Mils.
 
It does not have to be a classic mildot. I just need to be able to use the dots for ranging as intended and I dont want any ballistic info on the reticule as it gets really cluttered.

Thanks for the info so far guys, Ill look into the scopes you mentioned for now. Also I wasn't talking about the reticule - turret relation, I was talking about the zeroing dial on the turret being in moa but its a mil turret. Do you guys know what I mean? I have a Millet 4-16 mil dot scope I got that came on gun I bought thats like that.

Millet's website is total #### so I figured id ask here
 
Looked at a few of the reticules in the scopes you recommended and so far so good. Numbered mill dots on the reticule is a huge plus, I would prefer that for sure
 
The steiner is great, burris is pretty good too.

Is there anything around the price of the Vortex Viper that isnt a viper? I read a few reviews on the vipers that werent so good. Seem like my options are either buy a vortex viper and have it not track correctly or get a much more expensive scope.

I also just saw someone saying their leupold mk 6 is off when they track it.

Idk what to do
 
Burris XTR II tracks perfectly and has better glass than Vortex Viper?

You could check out Athlon Talos but it doesn't have zero stop....but they do sell washers you can place under turret cap to make a zero stop.

https://athlonoptics.com/product/rifle-scopes-talos-btr-4-14x44-aplr-ffp-ir-mil/

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.opt...-4-14x44-side-focus-riflescope.html?_iv_amp=1


Features of Talos BTR 4-14x44 Side Focus Riflescope:
First focal plane reticle design allows you to fully utilize specially designed reticles that shrink or grow along with your target as you zoom in or out. These reticles offer quick target engagement at low power while offering precise holdover positions with finer details.
The illuminated reticle provides greater visibility during dusk and dawn and other low ambient light environment.
Reticle etched on the glass provides excellent backing support for complex reticle design and offers great durability and much higher shock resistance to recoil
Fully multicoated optics effectively reduce reflected light and increase transmission of light giving you a brighter image
Aircraft grade aluminum provides extra strength and durability to handle the toughest terrain over a lifetime of use.
Heat treated one piece tube gives the scope extra strength over multi-piece tubes and is better at keeping moisture out thus keeping your scope fog proof
Waterproof to protect the scope in the harshest weather conditions or if accidently submerged underwater
Fog proofing to allow you to immediately engage your target when you take your rifle to cold ambient temperature from warm inside
Shockproof mechanical system with special designs on both control and erector system that give you the ultimate recoil resistance to withstand 1000G recoil for 1000 times
Nitrogen purging dramatically reduces the moisture inside the tube and helps maintain fogproof and waterproof function
 
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Mil/mil FFP? That a pretty vague request. It seems every optic maker makes some of these nowadays.

Maybe tell us some more specifics you are looking at. Price range? Magnification range? Illumination? Lots of options.
 
uncledillers said:
Mil/mil FFP? That a pretty vague request. It seems every optic maker makes some of these nowadays.

Maybe tell us some more specifics you are looking at. Price range? Magnification range? Illumination? Lots of options.
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Looking for scopes for two rifles.

first is an AR10 in 308, looking for something in the range of a 1-8 x. Must go down to a true 1 power. Been looking at the Trijicon Accupower 1-8 in Mil.

second is a bolt gun, currently have a 338 but its going to be sold soon. May come back to the same caliber but different rifle. I believe I've been seeing the Steiner M5Xi 5-25 being used on alot of guns but It costs quite a bit so Ive been looking at the Nightforce NXS 5.5-22x56 in MIL-R

These are the two main guns Ive been looking into to get good scopes on. I've read reviews of cheaper scopes not tracking correctly or having light bleed from objects onto others in certain magnification ranges. This made me stay away from the cheaper optics and keep going up in price until I found the two scopes I listed above. I'm asking to see if anyone has other recommendations that match the specifications and qualities of the above scopes. Basically looking for more options and information, maybe another scope I haven't heard of yet has certain features I like more. Those scopes seem to be the cheapest you can go before you start seeing negative reviews about things not working correctly, plus i know Trijicon and Nightforce are very reputable, unlike vortex lol. I'm NOT willing to spend less if that means something is not going to work right.
 
There are a lot of excellent options for your AR10, in the 1-6 or 1-8 range. The Accupower is a good scope, but I'm curious to see how the Nightforce 1-8 looks when it's out. I can see why people are very excited for it's arrival. The Elcan Specter TR 1-3-9 is an excellent optic as well, and currently on sale!

There are numerous offerings in the 5-25 or more range that you can get. What rifle are you looking to get? What distance are you planning on shooting?
 
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There are a lot of excellent options for your AR10, in the 1-6 or 1-8 range. The Accupower is a good scope, but I'm curious to see how the Nightforce 1-8 looks when it's out. I can see why people are very excited for it's arrival. The Elcan Specter TR 1-3-9 is an excellent optic as well, and currently on sale!

There are numerous offerings in the 5-25 or more range that you can get. What rifle are you looking to get? What distance are you planning on shooting?
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Just looked at the Nightforce, interested in it and its lighter than the Trijicon but there are things I like better on the Trijicon, may just stick with it for now. I wonder how much the Nightforce will cost though. The elcan is not bad but it weighs too much imo, 1.9 pounds is crazy

Edit: Forgot to mention what rifle I want

I was looking into a few different Tikkas to do some modifications on and was going to go either 308 or 300 but Tikka doesnt offer what I want without a special order or modifying it to the point where it would be easier to just buy a tikka action, which they dont sell. I ended up Ordering a BCL 102 and will modify and use that for hunting and shooting medium range and just using 338 for long range

At this point I honestly think its more efficient to spend more and just get a Cadex CDX-R7 Shepherd in 338 rather than buying a Tikka supervarmint in 300 and then changing the stock and other things. I would like a CDX-LITE too buts its 2k more over the R7 and I think the only difference is the chassis over the microchassis stock. I'll have to look into it more. Wont be buying for a while. And also I dont think theres anywhere to shoot a 338 where I'm at so IDK
 
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Keodis said:
Just looked at the Nightforce, interested in it and its lighter than the Trijicon but there are things I like better on the Trijicon, may just stick with it for now. I wonder how much the Nightforce will cost though. The elcan is not bad but it weighs too much imo, 1.9 pounds is crazy
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We're also going to be getting the Minox ZP8 in, 1-8
 
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We're also going to be getting the Minox ZP8 in, 1-8
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That Minox is nice, same weight as the Trijicon and same specs from what I could research except that the Trijicon is x28 and the Minox and Nightforce are x24 for the objective lens which is nice. Also the Minox seems to cost alot more at 3000 USD vs 1800 CAD and less for the Trijicon
 
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Yes the Trijicon is more affordable but I think the Minox is an excellent offering and optically superior to the Trijicon. I would also say the Nightforce 1-8 would be the same, and I am not a NF dealer.

The Cadex is an amazing rifle and product. We are a Cadex dealer and they are a top Canadia company to deal with...excellent products and support. If you want pricing or availability be sure to email or PM us
 
Keodis said:
That Minox is nice, same weight as the Trijicon and same specs from what I could research except that the Trijicon is x28 and the Minox and Nightforce are x24 for the objective lens which is nice. Also the Minox seems to cost alot more at 3000 USD vs 1800 CAD and less for the Trijicon
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The Minox would be just over $2900 CDN. PM sent
 
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