Military Arms Review: HK MR556A1

Why won't people demand to chromeline their Noveske SS Barrels???? The first reason of chromelining is for corrosion resistence and ease of cleaning.

Actually, the primary reason for chroming lining the bore of military rifles is to increase the service life of the barrel. Corrosion resistance and ease of cleaning were secondary benefits. A chrome lined bore will not resist corrosive salts indefinitely. While it buys some time, the misconception that a chrome bore is impervious to corrosive salts is inaccurate. Regardless, the US stopped using corrosive ammo well before the M16 came into our armories.

People don't chrome match barrels because they want the best possible accuracy vs. protection from high round counts and long shooting strings.
 
Just curious, with the rear sight adjustment and how you need a tool. I was wondering if those temporary trigger locks you often see at gun stores, if the tool that unlocks those would work as an adjustment tool? Might be worth a look and see if it fits before forking over cash for their special tool.
 
Chrome lining does not always mean bad accuracy... take a look at Knight's SR-25's or LMT's MWS... both chrome lined 16" guns capable of 0.5MOA out to 500-600yds (I know the L129A1 uses a SS bbl).
 
It's all a matter of personal preference. I prefer the profile of the grip used on the HK416 over the one used on the commercial MR556A1. I've yet to meet anyone that I've showed the MR556A1 to that actually preferred the MR556A1's grip over say a Magpul or even a standard A2. I have no doubt there are people out there that like it, I'm just not one of them. :)

Try using this grip down below here.

http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-HK-417-Battle-Grip-Variant-2-134p1912.htm

I use the other one with the storage compartment, but i would say the version above that comes with the MR223 and MR308 works better in many ways with the weight of that rifle.
 
Well from what i herd, was a different spin on it, I can't confirm it, that being said I own the MR223 and it is Chrome lined.

MR223 is not chrome lined.

I contacted HK Jagd- und Sportwaffen GmbH ( http://ww w.hkjs.de ) asking "Is the Mr223 barrel chrome lined?". Relevant part of reply:

"the barrels from the MR223 are not inside chromed"
 
Actually, the primary reason for chroming lining the bore of military rifles is to increase the service life of the barrel. Corrosion resistance and ease of cleaning were secondary benefits. A chrome lined bore will not resist corrosive salts indefinitely. While it buys some time, the misconception that a chrome bore is impervious to corrosive salts is inaccurate. Regardless, the US stopped using corrosive ammo well before the M16 came into our armories.

People don't chrome match barrels because they want the best possible accuracy vs. protection from high round counts and long shooting strings.

The primary reason of chromeling in a rilfe barrel is to ensure proper wpn functioning in adverse climate - a rusted chamber is no go. Any metal will rust - go out on an exercise in rain and come back to the armoury, any bare metal turns orange overnight.

The issue of longvity only applies to MG barrels - the spec of M16 only calls for a 6000 rounds testing of acceptable accuracy. The spec of M249 calls for a 10,000 rounds endurance test to be fired in bursts. A barrel does not need chromelining to meet the M16 spec for barrel life. The US military does not seem to have any mid-life upgrade. Every year they just buy more new weapons and trash the old ones.

This debate will go around around around and around. Therer is no mysterious proprietary steel out there. It is just a matter of picking the steel you want based on price and supply. One can easily figure out the "trade" secret by doing metallurigical analysis.

Is chromelining or some other corrosion treatment preferred - yes definitely.

On the other hand, is it absolutely necessary now? Probably not - if a private or corporal can maintain a DMR with a SS barrel, anyone can do.

If HK put a Lothar Walter SS barrel on the MR223, I suppose many people will just simply shut up. However, if they put a semi-match grade CHF barrel on their rifles, people will scream for chromelining.

At the end of the day, life is full of trade off - buy a properly designed and fielded HK 416 derviative with non-chromelined barrel or some other weirdos like LWCR that seem to be perpetually being beta tested by customers.
 
It sounds good, but I've seen nothing in the form of actual tests comparing their proprietary steel alloy to a nitrite treated barrel or chrome barrel, and certainly nothing with regards to the MR556A1 and its tapered bore.

As for other weapons HK has built like their 90 series rifles, they used polygonal rifling that lacks lands and grooves. Their G36 uses a button rifled barrel with chrome lining.

I'm less inclined to buy into the marketing machine of an HK insider than I am to go with what the rest of the military manufacturing community seems to know and use, that being chrome or nitrite with nitrite being the new wonder treatment of the immediate future.

That's not to say I'm right, of course.

Just an FYI, the G36 does use a standard land/groove rifling, but its not 'button' rifled (which is a way of creating rifling, you pull a 'button cutter' through the barrel), it is the same cold hammer forged system that they use for everything :) (the German HK P8 a 9mm USP built for the German Military - identical save for a 'reverse' safety and land/groove rifling instead of the traditional HK poly rifling, which only achieves its maximum accuracy potential when dealing with .45 caliber bullets or larger)
 
You would be the laughing stock of every two day gunsmith apprentice over here old boy, maybe you should do GI Joe reviews on youtube.

The HK416 uses a chrome lined barrel to improve the service life. This is from the HK website:



If HK is chrome lining the bore of the 416, that means they've not come up with a superior method of hardening steel in the MR556A1 against wear, otherwise they would use it in the 416.

I'm not aware of any process outside of chrome lining or nitrite treating that yields steel as hard or resistant to wear as chrome lining is. Apparently HK hasn't figured out a process either since they're chrome lining their 416 barrels.

The barrel also tapers on the MR556A1 which means as the bullet travels down the bore the friction increases. With increased friction comes increased wear. It would stand to reason that the muzzle end of the bore would wear faster than the chamber section or middle section of the bore. Again, I don't see this as being conducive to a long service life under extreme conditions (machine gun fire).
 
I think Military Arms means well and does his best, but I'd have to agree with theholdinthedonut,

Rich

My post was rude and I have to apologize to militaryarms! It was not really an intelligent reply.

But on the subject there is nothing I can concede! Chrome lining is a method of improving poor quality barrels, a mean to keep production costs down.
 
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