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I have been holding off on this because I am sure some people are going to laugh me off this site :????
My daughter is best friends with a daughter to a Canadian sniper .
He reloads his own shells; and builds rifles also.
I was told that the powder he uses is different than what the average guy can buy .. Even the primers are suppose to be Military primers.????
 
AFAIK, the military only offers fully loaded ammo to its employees. They are not in the "making" business.

So unless some enterprising employee is taking apart service ammo AND just happens to contain non canister stuff, I don't buy it.

Highly unlikely.

The only reason why there is a chance of any truth is that military ammo DOES use components not offered to general public. It's the ACCESS that becomes very murky.

My guess is someone is mixing up the "name" of product which has a twin on the gunstore shelf.

Or using a surplus (also called, pull down) powder which IS on the civilian market. Most of this stuff is decades old and very old tech so we avoid it for any precision work. It is the components literally from pulled down or pulled apart military ammo that is decommissioned.

Jerry
 
I wonder if its the same sniper I just ran into at wss, did see he just qualified as a "master sniper" by shooting a 1" group at a 1000 yards and turned down a offer from the states to join the seals?
 
I shot one of his guns ..The longest shot I could arrange was 430 yards as that was the longest hay field around .
The gun was a 30-06 and weighed 22 pounds . The rifle had infared scope ; and even the tripod was different than any one I had seen before .. Heavy built .. He was shooting a three inch square at 430 yards . That was by the 1000 yard laser range finder he had.
He had a piece of 1/4 inch plate there and I shot it at about 100 yards with my 300 win mag .. All that I could do was dent it maybe
He does 100% load his own shells and even sells some to people for hunting etc . It was the people that got some off him that was telling me it was Military powder and primers ..
He gets this powder by drums .. Not bottles like I have seen :::????
I have never been at his house but people that have said the machine that weighs the bullets is very accurate .. if he is loading 165 ...It will kick out the bullets that 166 167 .. so every bullet he loads for shooting is 165 .. the same for the powder .. right to the grain .I am repeating this second hand and stories tend to not lose anything ..
But what I do know 100% is this .. that gun was super accurate ..
He claims he shoots thousands of rounds each year
 
skoal said:
I wonder if its the same sniper I just ran into at wss, did see he just qualified as a "master sniper" by shooting a 1" group at a 1000 yards and turned down a offer from the states to join the seals?
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WTF does this even mean??? There are some crazy bullschitters out there. Drives me crazy.
 
Peter Dobson from Hirsch Precision is the official ammo supplier for Canadian snipers. Overseas, they sometimes used American ammo when the Canadian army stuff was unavailable.
 
CCI sells mispec primers that are harder than the average primer cup. You can also buy different powders from dealers like Higginson in bulk, though I am not sure if they are a different blend than other commercial powders.

In the first couple of pages of every Cdn military pam is a warning that altering or firing anything other than approved ammo is a no go. I'm not a sniper and never was so I don't know if there is an exception to the rule for them, but I doubt it.

There are people on this board who do know and I'm sure one of them will chime in. Until one of them confirms it, I would take it with a grain of salt.
 
extremely unlikely that what you fired was a military issued rifle. The military guards their weapons to the extreme, he could not simply put his military issued sniper rifle in the trunk of his car and drive off base, nor could he draw ammo to use on private property or a civilian range. There are strict rules and regulations which prohibit the use of civilian fire arms on military ranges without the pre-approvals in place. This is also true for military weapons used on private property and civilian ranges, they must be inspected and approved by the military to insure they meet the templating for the weapon and the ammo to be used, reviewed at several levels of command and signed off.

what he may be doing is bring range salvage (brass) home for reloading. Maybe,,

I am not a sniper but believe the calibre they use is .50 cal not 30-06, this in all likelihood was his own personal firearm trick out to resemble what he maybe using (if he really is a military sniper)
 
If he is procuring the powder and primers as an individual and is doing it legally then anyone can buy it. As far as the military goes sniper ammunition is factory match ammunition and it is procured from several sources. Small Arms Ammunition is issued as full up cartridges and the military does not allow any tampering with ammunition except for authorized trials or experiments by defence research facilities.

If he is reloading his own shells he is firing them out of his own rifles. If he is loading his own shells and firing them out of DND weapons he is violating numerous regulations.
 
Mike, you have been fed a lot of information by people that don't know what they're talking about.

As far as military primers go, the military does specify primers that are harder than most civilian component primers. Not impossible to get. More than likely, he is using Bench Rest Primers.

As for military powders, that has been explained and there is an outlet in Hawksbury Ontario that supplies them, same goes for pulled bullets, when they have them. Hornady also sells the 165gr fmj bullets. Good 165 gr bullets are available from all of the commercial makers.

As for his scale being so accurate that it throws out bullets with a 2 grain difference, his scale isn't very accurate. two tenths of a grain difference is the minimum weight difference most serious target shooters will tolerate.

As for military powder, powders with IMR prefixes are called IMPROVED MILITARY POWDERS. Powders like H4831 are also ex military spec powder, along with several others.

Lots of other things your buds and maybe the sniper told you were either rubbing in a rookie or you misunderstood their meaning.

As for military sniper rounds, there is no reason at all why a sniper wouldn't reload for his personally owned and purchased private firearms. As for his issued rifle, the rounds may be handloaded by a special company or loaded to very crucial specs in special runs. Unless he's sneaking them in to use on the military ranges, that isn't likely to happen.

Another thing, as far as I know, unless it's a special purpose rifle, his military issue rifle would be chambered in 7.62x51 Nato (308 Winchester) rather than the 30-06 you referred to.

The quarter inch plate you refer to might be a ceramic armor plate or it might be a chrome carbide plate. I use a chrome carbide plate as a target backing. I use it for two reasons, one, when it's mounted at a forward angle it deflects the bullets down, two, it also causes the bullets to badly deform or break up. I have shot several thousand rounds onto this plate and it doesn't even show a dent. Mind you, it's a half inch thick. One quarter inch of chrome carbide welded into a soft iron backing underwater, until the whole thickness is 1/2 in. Extremely tough as well as wear and impact resistant.
 
If he is taking military brass home he would be committing a chargeable offence. The military does not use .30-06. Current in service sniper rifles are .308, .338, and .50 cal. The only .30-06 rifle I have heard of in the forces (never actually seen it or the ammo) is a rifle used by SAR Techs. It's a modified Ruger M77.
 
I am quite sure he is a sniper .. Goes to a place near Stirling Ontario called the"" farm"" .. Now I am sure there is lots of farms up there in the sand hills ..lol .. But this place is where cops and swat teams etc go to train .
The place allows shots that are longer than I am capable of for sure...
And it may be his own personal gun .. but he also has a 50 cal..
And this here may be not 100% true ... But I was told he was up north hunting and the warden asked to see his gun ..
He refused the give his gun to the warden ... the warden called the OPP and they arrived ... He showed the cops that he was a sniper ; and the cops told the warden to go on his way ..
"A sniper can't let his gun out of his possession" just like a cop can't give me his gun or something along those lines
 
This guy is so full of #### its laughable. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS would a Canadian Forces sniper be allowed to take his rifle hunting. I wanna slap this POS upside his head.
 
... Must get really uncomfortable spooning with a rifle when it can't leave your possession.... Looks like the sniper pulled a gullible double tap
 
I can guarantee you all right now that the guy spewing this BS is nothing more than a loser wannabe sniper. Not a chance he's the real deal.
 
mike Crawford said:
I am quite sure he is a sniper .. Goes to a place near Stirling Ontario called the"" farm"" .. Now I am sure there is lots of farms up there in the sand hills ..lol .. But this place is where cops and swat teams etc go to train .
The place allows shots that are longer than I am capable of for sure...
And it may be his own personal gun .. but he also has a 50 cal..
And this here may be not 100% true ... But I was told he was up north hunting and the warden asked to see his gun ..
He refused the give his gun to the warden ... the warden called the OPP and they arrived ... He showed the cops that he was a sniper ; and the cops told the warden to go on his way ..
"A sniper can't let his gun out of his possession" just like a cop can't give me his gun or something along those lines
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If it was a co theres no way a police officer would tell him to "go away" and refusing to hand the gun over to a co would more then likely end with him in handcuffs.
 
Outside of training on military establishment snipers will train with LEA's, but normally the LEA's will train on DND property vice the sniper off of DND property. Training exercises can be conducted outside of DND property, but under military regulations the public as well as police, etc will be notified in advance. Blank ammunition and limited pyrotechnics may be used, however this is under tight controls. There are security operations where snipers might be performing security duties such as the G8 summit in Kananskis, but again all the police and other agencies in the area would be aware. From training exercises I have been on, if you were approached by any sort of LEA, game warden, etc you would be expected to surrender, give up your weapon and sort the mess out. Unless it is an E an E exercise in which case the LEA's chasing would know what is oing on and would be chasing you. There are members of the military that carry weapons and ammo on civie street for specific reasons, they have letters that explain why the are carrying, who to contact in the event their authorization is in question and it is my understanding from speaking to one or two members that they are also instructed to give up and surrender their weapons if questioned by LEA's and sort the mess out after the fact.
 
It would take three pages to list just the chapter headings of why this is unadulterated cr*p.

Don't eat that, Billy.
 
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