MilliRad Scopes

A lot of it is supply and demand. Shooters are only beginning to understand how matched turret/reticle FFP scopes are used... most don't. Many people have a lot of misconceptions about them and get frustrated when they buy one because they try and use it like a SFP scope.

It's tough to understand the advantages due to the types of long distance ranges we have access to up here. There isn't a lot of advantage if you're only shooting at known distances, one distance at a time like you do on CF ranges. You need something like this: http://youngslongshot.com/ where you can load up a mag and engage different targets between 100 and 1000 yards as fast as you can run the bolt and track to the next target, using your reticle marks for your elevations and wind corrections. Great exercise for memorizing your dope...

It also doesn't help that most manufactures aren't offering inexpensive FFP scopes that have the features that make FFP a more powerful setup for tactical/feild use. As we mentioned above: only providing a basic mildot reticle makes the system far less useful. Companies like Vortex need to offer their lower end scope with reticles like their EBR-2B. They also need to provide an illuminated reticle, which allows you to pick up the crosshairs easily at low magnification. Features like zero stops can be left out to keep the cost down cost.
 
I've been doing some research into the Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 EBR-1 mrad (SFP) and it turns out the magnification ring is also marked with the mrad
multiples of 1x, 2x, 3x and 4x for the corresponding zoom magnifications of 16x, 8x, 5.3x and 4x. Which definitely makes it a more viable and more useful option, in my opinion anyway.
 
Just got my Vortex Viper 6-24x50 Mil/Mil FFP Scope earlier this month. On order a year. Love it. The reticle matches the turret perfectly and the reticle matches the real world. Did a whole bunch of checking at 100 yards using up to 5.4 mil up and 2 mil left and right while holding aim point near the bottom of the board was able to hit the dots at those measured and dialed heights and windages dead on.

Also nice and fine reticle able to shoot sub .25 moa groups at 100 yards with it. Best so far 3 shot .168moa with some Hornady 75gr a-maxes out of my .223 rem. Also that day with load testing .214 and .268 moa groups also.

Min focus is 50 yards for parallax. At 24 power and under 50 yards too blurry to use but no problem at 25 yards and 6 power in a snap shot condition, (coyote hunting?? etc.)

Glass seems nice. My best so far, I can't compare to a nightforce but is nicer than my Bushnell 6500 2.5-16x50 Mildot scope (Moa turrets SFP, lots of extra math) Now I love the bushnell rain gaurd coating and expect it will remain my hunting scope. I'm not too sure how the glass on the viper will be to shoot in wet conditions but the bushnell is awesome even when all fogged up or covered with water. No problem to shoot through.

Hope it helps
 
Hey guys, I'm in the process of trying to decide what scope to put on my rem 700 5r and have been looking at the Vortex Viper PST and the Viper HS LR... being that this is my first "higher" end scope There has been alot of research done...and head scratching. Anyhow I just wanted to say that you guys have sumerized pretty well the Diffrences between SFP & FFP, along with the benefits of some of the different recticle types like mildot vs "picket fence", and the mil /moa issues...

As far as I've read here and on other forums the way I've sum'd up the ffp vs sfp debate is kinda like this....
Bench/some hunting w/know distances - a SFP will work fine (still more math)
Long Range Tactical shooting/LR hunting & hunting where you need "fast" shot ability, and/or the ability to range using the scope... A FFP would be more suitable

Does this sound right?

Thanks for the explanations!
 
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