Milsurp challenged.

Threemorewishes

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I find myself milsurp challenged...again. I have owned a couple of L-E No4s, a K31, a couple of M-N 31/90 and a few Mauser K98s. They were all fine specimens but lacked something to make me want to keep shooting them. Is there a list of WWII and older milsurps somewhere in anyones collection of firearm information they could post? I kind of remember a list in a post here on CGN but my search came up empty.
Thanks in advance for any input you may have.
Threemorewishes
ps. Please no "For Sale" PMs..Thanks
 
Friend, do you have ANY idea what you are asking for????????????

This is the Internet: we don't have enough BANDWIDTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a quick list, then......

AUSTRIA-HUNGARY
Wanzl
Werndl (3 types)
Mannlicher 1885
Mannlicher 1886
Mannlicher 1888
Mannlicher 1888/90
Mannlicher 1890
Mannlicher 1895
Mannlicher 1895/34
Mannlicher 1935

ITALY:
Carcano 1866/69
Vetterli 1870
Vetterli-Vitali 1870/87
Vetterli-Mannlicher 1870/87/1915
Mannlicher-Carcano 1891
Mannlicher-Carcano 1938 in 7.35 AND 6.5
Mannlicher-Carcano 1941
ALL of the above available in Rifles, Carbines, TS and Short Rifles, 41 only in Rifle
Balilla rifle 6.5 blank
Armaguerra Model 39 (semi-retarded, semi-short-recoil semi-auto rifle) in 6.5 and 7.35mm

JAPANESE EMPIRE:
Murata 11mm
Type 30 6.5
Type 38 6.5
Type 99 7.7
Garand/Johnson experimental

CHILE:
had small quantities of just about EVERYTHING, starting with HALLS. Name it, they had it.

CANADA:
Brown Bess
Indian Pattern Bess
Pattern 1839
Pattern 1853
Pattern 1858
Peabody
Ballard
Spencer
Snider Mark I
Snider Mark II
Snider Mark III
Snider Cadet Carbines
Martini Mark I
Martini Mark II
Martini Mark III
Martini Mark IV
LM Mark I
LM Mark II
LE Mark I
Ross 1903
Ross 1905
Ross 1910
SMLE
Number 4
Number 5
MOST of the above available in Carbines also and various STARS

Do you have a spare half a million bucks? Should be able to find SOMETHING interesting.

This is just a start, of course.

Hope this helps.
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Thanks Smellie, always there to deliver! :D

I really like shooting my Enfield P14's, my Enfield M1917. Probably because they seem to be some of the most under-appreciated milsurp guns around.

Also love to shoot my Lee Enfield 2A1, something cool about shooting .308 out of a SMLE action.
 
Or for some closer to home flavour (American):

Krag rifles
Krag carbines
Trapdoors (several varieties)
M1903 Springfield
M1903 Mark 1 Springfield
M1903A1 Springfield
M1903A3 Springfield
M1903A4 sniper
M1
US M1917
M1C
M1D

Then there are the South-American Mausers. The variety is almost infinite, the quality uniformly high. Even if you stick to only large-ring 98's, you will never collect them all.

Allah loves wondrous variety.
 
German WW1 and earlier:

Gewehr model 1871
Karabiner model 1871
Gewehr model 1871/84
Gewehr model 1888
Karabiner model 1888
Gewehr model 1898
Karabiner model 1898AZ
 
If you SPECIALISE, it gets worse (or better, depending on your point of view).

Look at the SMLE MarkIII/III*.

Entered production at Enfield, BSA and LSA in 1907, Ishapore and Lithgow 1912, SSA 1915, NRF 1918.

BUT there are a few NRFs marked 1917: end-of-the-year parts assembled in 1918 after the name change. And there are said to be a few 1918 SSAs assembled likewise from Bodies already marked.
So your SET just from that plant should be:
SSA 1915 Mark III
SSA 1916 Mark III
SSA 1916 Mark III*
SSA 1917 Mark III*
SSA 1918 Mark III*
NRF 1917 Mark III*
NRF 1918 Mark III*: SEVEN rifles with FOUR dates, all from ONE plant.

LITHGOW made rifles every year but never did switch completely to the Mark III*, even though the rifles were marked as such (my 1918 has a Cutoff Slot)...... and they kept on making rifles right up until the change-over to the FAL..... some every year, even though some years are shockingly-scarce.

LONDON SMALL ARMS made rifles up to and including 1918 but only changed-over completely to the Mark III* right at the end. They made nothing after 1918.

ISHAPORE built rifles every year, rebuilt rifles every year, made some India Pattern rifles which were built nowhere else, made some single-shots, Muskets and even the 2A1 in 7.62 NATO. They are making every part today but no longer manufacture Bodies, or so I am informed.

PAKISTAN did not exist and so did not make the rifle at all..... but POF at Wah Cantt makes all the PARTS today.... except Bodies.

And there are Commercials, Test rifles, Trials rifles, special lots for Iraq (1936 and 1938) and Siam (1922), small lots for other Governments from time to time.

Enough variety just in that one rifle to keep a man happy and confused for a lifetime.

And broke.

Can't forget that part!

Hope this helps.
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I find myself milsurp challenged...again. I have owned a couple of L-E No4s, a K31, a couple of M-N 31/90 and a few Mauser K98s. They were all fine specimens but lacked something to make me want to keep shooting them...

Two months ago I looked in my big locked cupboard and was blown away by the complete lack of interest I had for all the rifles I had "collected". So I dumped all the shooters and grabbed up a couple Lee Enfield No4s.

My project for the summer is to follow the guides so thoughtfully provided in the sticky section and bring these two rifles back to their glory. Learning about working with Raw Linseed Oil, "stocking up", load development - It's proven much more rewarding than buying yet another Mauser and spending a few hours on the internets looking for yet more surplus ammo.

For me the trick has been engagement. Hard to stay interested when all the challenge is in phoning in a visa number...

Anyway, that's my personal work around for the Milsurp blahs. Wish you luck with yours!

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I have shot most of the guns listed so far (or close variants) and by far my favourites have been: unusual; large bore; chambered in an obsolete round; and used cast bullets. In other words, an antique.

I like the Swedish Rolling Block, and the Swiss Vetterli.
 
I find myself milsurp challenged...again. I have owned a couple of L-E No4s, a K31, a couple of M-N 31/90 and a few Mauser K98s. They were all fine specimens but lacked something to make me want to keep shooting them. Is there a list of WWII and older milsurps somewhere in anyones collection of firearm information they could post? I kind of remember a list in a post here on CGN but my search came up empty.
Thanks in advance for any input you may have.
Threemorewishes
ps. Please no "For Sale" PMs..Thanks

No Garand? Swede Mauser? You haven't yet lived without those.;)


Mark
 
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