Milsurp Collector vs Target Shooter?

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I would be interested to hear opinions from the milsurp crowd about the pros and cons of collector status.

For instance: Is there any potential longterm advantage for Milsurp collectors to change their status with the CFO from target shooter to collector? I am thinking that long term if Canadian firearms regulations were to become even more restrictive is it likely that someone with official collector status may be grandfathered, while a target shooter may not? Are there any disadvantages to collector status?

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This is a complicated question.

If you plan on shooting any restricted firearms, collector status is probably not a good option.

If you never go to the range, you will save yourself the cost of a range membership by going this route.

You will still be required to call the CFO for an ATT everytime you transport a firearm during sale or purchase. That all stays the same.

I think most collectors are split between having 'target shooter' or 'collector' status.

I've heard having 'collector' status is more likely to invite the CFO over to your home for an inspection, maybe someone else can clarify if this is true?

I suspect if the laws become more restrictive it won't matter if you are a collector or target shooter, it will depend on the laws regarding the firearms themselves. I don't think this is worth worrying about, just ask yourself if you plan on shooting any restricteds or not.

-Steve
 
I have several non-milsurp restricted firearms and I also shoot my "shooter" grade milsurps occasionally ('44 Ithaca and '40 T33). So, if I am continuing to shoot restricteds, there would be no advantage to having collector status? I always feel bad lying during the transfer process when they ask: "what is the purpose of this pistol purchase?" and I say "target shooting" when I have no intention of shooting a particualr pistol. I have tried explaining in the past, but they always just say, that I have to say "target shooting" unless I have collector status. I guess I really want both shooter and collector status.
 
After the 12.6 fiasco started, I decided I should get this mystical "collector's status" as well, just in case the laws became more idiotic in the future. I registered 1 handgun for collecting, filled out a multi page form for the CFO and now, apparently, I have collector's status. I also belong to a club and have a regular long term ATT for transport back and forth - no issues. Finally, I have never been asked about inspecting my storage. I applied for the collector's status probably 15 years ago. That is my personal experience.
 
myenfield said:
After the 12.6 fiasco started, I decided I should get this mystical "collector's status" as well, just in case the laws became more idiotic in the future. I registered 1 handgun for collecting, filled out a multi page form for the CFO and now, apparently, I have collector's status. I also belong to a club and have a regular long term ATT for transport back and forth - no issues. Finally, I have never been asked about inspecting my storage. I applied for the collector's status probably 15 years ago. That is my personal experience.
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Thanks for clearing that up!!! I've always wondered if that would work. I suppose I might switch some of my stuff over to be 'collectors'.

-Steve
 
Ganderite said:
Can a person have 'collector" status, and still buy guns for target shooting and be a club member?
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Yes , you can have both . I have collector status , and maintain a club membership as well for target shooting . The advantage of collector status for me is if i decide not to renew my club membership for whatever reason , i can still use my collector status to buy more , and possess , restricted firearms if i so desire . I have had my collector status for years as it was fairly easy to get at the time ; but i know others who have applied for collector status more recently , and was turned down by their CFO . As far as inspections go , I have never been contacted by , or inspected by the CFO , for any reason......whenever i contact the CFOs Office , or the CFC , i am polite to them , and they are polite to me.......no complaints here....
 
I ended up getting my "Collectors Status" due to the encouragement of the RCMP. Years ago when Tariq handguns hit the market I purchased three of these rifles from Frontier Firearms. I was on tour at the time and I got a call from the RCMP stating that they had concerns about transferring three of the same pistols to my person especially as I had "a lot of firearms" (long gun registry was still in place). I explained that I wanted these three pistols as a target shooter, as a collector of milsups and as an investor. They explained that I would have to apply for "Collector Status" (very easy) and they insisted on inspecting safe storage and doing an inventory on all my firearms before allowing the transfer of the three pistols. They waited for me to come back from tour versus bugging my wife who did not have access to my firearms and it all went pretty well. The AB CFO arrived with the transcript of firearms with a local RCMP officer and we examined the collection and storage. Some of the comments of the CFO and local RCMP member were upsetting regarding the requirement to own a BD38 (now confiscated) and why anyone would need to own tracer or armour piercing ammo (much of which I would classify as WWII collectors ammo).

The Collectors License saves you if your range membership ever expires and I find gets transfers done slightly quicker especially when making bulk purchases of restricted firearms. It has not advantage for long arms. The range membership is handy as you can get a Long Term ATT for going to the range and gunsmiths. The Collectors License does open you up to inspections, but the firearms act already does that - most people don't realize that point - the Collectors License just highlights that power. I haven't had an inspection since that one inspection. The Collectors License has saved me as my range membership has expired a few times.

I don't really see a fuss, just be aware that the Collectors License may require an inspection, but simply owning a firearm, or ammunition or even having the receipt of such can open you to an inspection. You don't even need to own or be in possession of one of the above all they need is a suspicion that you are in possession of one of the above and they can do an inspection.
 
The Socialist F**ks expected you to give up several of your Charter rights(primarily the one prohibiting unreasonable search), if you opt for the collector status. Never been challenged in court as far as I know.
The FA allows for "inspections" by agents of the CPFO's. They cannot just show up and demand to see your property or rummage around your house. There are very clear rules they must follow. Way down near the bottom.
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/collector-collecteur-eng.htm
It's really just an appeasement to allow non-shooters to keep their property until the rectal orifi find a way of taking your property away. Idiot reasoning something like, "You don't shoot, therefore you don't need an evil handgun. Turn 'em in for destruction with no compensation."
I wouldn't rely on any grandfathering of anything should(and sooner or later they will) the rat offspring of unmarried parents get back into power. They have repeatedly proven themselves to be rabidly anti-firearm ownership. They do have an hidden agenda to make Canada the first Western country where there is no private ownership of a firearm of any kind. And they don't care how long it takes.
 
agentcq said:
I ended up getting my "Collectors Status" due to the encouragement of the RCMP. Years ago when Tariq handguns hit the market I purchased three of these rifles from Frontier Firearms. I was on tour at the time and I got a call from the RCMP stating that they had concerns about transferring three of the same pistols to my person especially as I had "a lot of firearms" (long gun registry was still in place). I explained that I wanted these three pistols as a target shooter, as a collector of milsups and as an investor. They explained that I would have to apply for "Collector Status" (very easy) and they insisted on inspecting safe storage and doing an inventory on all my firearms before allowing the transfer of the three pistols. They waited for me to come back from tour versus bugging my wife who did not have access to my firearms and it all went pretty well. The AB CFO arrived with the transcript of firearms with a local RCMP officer and we examined the collection and storage. Some of the comments of the CFO and local RCMP member were upsetting regarding the requirement to own a BD38 (now confiscated) and why anyone would need to own tracer or armour piercing ammo (much of which I would classify as WWII collectors ammo).

The Collectors License saves you if your range membership ever expires and I find gets transfers done slightly quicker especially when making bulk purchases of restricted firearms. It has not advantage for long arms. The range membership is handy as you can get a Long Term ATT for going to the range and gunsmiths. The Collectors License does open you up to inspections, but the firearms act already does that - most people don't realize that point - the Collectors License just highlights that power. I haven't had an inspection since that one inspection. The Collectors License has saved me as my range membership has expired a few times.

I don't really see a fuss, just be aware that the Collectors License may require an inspection, but simply owning a firearm, or ammunition or even having the receipt of such can open you to an inspection. You don't even need to own or be in possession of one of the above all they need is a suspicion that you are in possession of one of the above and they can do an inspection.
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These are the types of rumors I heard before, and the main concern against me ever acquiring collector status.

-Steve
 
Ganderite said:
Can a person have 'collector" status, and still buy guns for target shooting and be a club member?
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Well, I've been doing it for years. I am a "collector", I belong to two clubs, I buy guns for collecting, and shoot restricted and prohibs at ranges. Plus I walk and talk. :p
 
When I took my course the instructor IIRC happened to be the person who wrote the study course and he advised against getting collector status.
 
kjohn said:
Well, I've been doing it for years. I am a "collector", I belong to two clubs, I buy guns for collecting, and shoot restricted and prohibs at ranges. Plus I walk and talk. :p
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Are the you guns you have to shoot at the range the same ones you collect, or do they have separate status? That is, do some have to stay locked up at home or can you get att's for all of them?
 
Magellann said:
Are the you guns you have to shoot at the range the same ones you collect, or do they have separate status? That is, do some have to stay locked up at home or can you get att's for all of them?
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Maybe it varies from province to province , not really sure ; but in my case , the collector status covers all my firearms automatically.....the collector status is not specific to any certain firearms , but is applied to the license holder of the status....it is automatically linked to your firearm license . There is no certificite issued , it is just recorded in the offices of the CFOs and CFC , and will come up in their system when they run your R-PAL.....your gun club ATTs will cover all of your firearms.......
 
"The Socialist F**ks expected you to give up several of your Charter rights(primarily the one prohibiting unreasonable search), if you opt for the collector status. "

Which ones were those?

The firearm friendly Conservatives you voted for?

They'd be surprised to be labelled "socialist" as would the big business Paul Martin Liberal government prior to that and the Bay Street Liberals on Chretien's watch.

There's never been a socialist federal government in Canada.
 
IMHO, this is the primary case that I can see for collector status if you're doing regular target shooting -

In theory, any firearm registered for target shooting would be semi-regularly *used* for target shooting as far as the Firearm Act is concerned.

If the current Firearm Act and constantly conflating of monitoring by the CFOs continue along the current path,
the day may come when you'll have to show proof (range logs or other than can't fudged) of range usage for *each* restricted registered for
target shooting. If a pattern of usage isn't demonstrated over time for any specific restricted, then the CFO's office
will argue it isn't being used for target shooting and the registration certificate (for target shooting) could be withdrawn.
Collected restricteds are not required to be shot.

This is an extension of the mindset that says they won't register a restricted to an RPAL holder
for target shooting unless they are a paid member of at least one range-equipped gun club.
Ditto for RPAL renewals with registered restricted holdings.

I've heard low-key hints in the past of this as a possible future approach for the registrations, but the logistics of it would be "challenging".
Great way to build the staffing pyramid at the CFO's office :-(
 
Tom E Gun said:
I have several non-milsurp restricted firearms and I also shoot my "shooter" grade milsurps occasionally ('44 Ithaca and '40 T33). So, if I am continuing to shoot restricteds, there would be no advantage to having collector status? I always feel bad lying during the transfer process when they ask: "what is the purpose of this pistol purchase?" and I say "target shooting" when I have no intention of shooting a particualr pistol. I have tried explaining in the past, but they always just say, that I have to say "target shooting" unless I have collector status. I guess I really want both shooter and collector status.
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Why on gods green earth would you feel bad about telling them it is for target shooting? You have all qualifications and what you do with your gun within the confines of the law is none of their business. You decide to shoot a particular gun or not does not matter to anyone
 
rodregier said:
IMHO, this is the primary case that I can see for collector status if you're doing regular target shooting -

In theory, any firearm registered for target shooting would be semi-regularly *used* for target shooting as far as the Firearm Act is concerned.

If the current Firearm Act and constantly conflating of monitoring by the CFOs continue along the current path,
the day may come when you'll have to show proof (range logs or other than can't fudged) of range usage for *each* restricted registered for
target shooting. If a pattern of usage isn't demonstrated over time for any specific restricted, then the CFO's office
will argue it isn't being used for target shooting and the registration certificate (for target shooting) could be withdrawn.
Collected restricteds are not required to be shot.

This is an extension of the mindset that says they won't register a restricted to an RPAL holder
for target shooting unless they are a paid member of at least one range-equipped gun club.
Ditto for RPAL renewals with registered restricted holdings.

I've heard low-key hints in the past of this as a possible future approach for the registrations, but the logistics of it would be "challenging".
Great way to build the staffing pyramid at the CFO's office :-(
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Very true.....but it is already happening. Some owners of restricted firearms have already been challenged by the CFOs Office for the reason as to why they have restricted firearms if they are not a member of a gun club......some have even had their R-PAL renewals held up for this reason . This year , the CFO has requested that a logbook be kept at our gun club range that members are required to sign to prove that they have been attending the range . The LGR is gone , but firearm ownership remains under close scrunity by big brother....
 
wbaad said:
Why on gods green earth would you feel bad about telling them it is for target shooting? You have all qualifications and what you do with your gun within the confines of the law is none of their business. You decide to shoot a particular gun or not does not matter to anyone
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That's what I was thinking as well
 
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