Milsurp price insanity

My insanity rifle just showed up the other day. Pro tip, don't throw in a "just for funzies" bid on rock island auctions. In fact just avoid it all together. The worst part now is doing it and realizing how easy it is to bid on and get IRG to import it.

Buyer premium (17.5%), credit card fee (3.5%), another 1% if you use their platform to bid live, Import (225$), GST ( Im not sure how they tax when you send it to an importer), Duty, and shipping fee (from alberta to where you live ∼45$). And everything aside from the importer is in USD.

Thats why I try to avoid auction house.
 
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Oh goodness yes, I just pretend that because it was 3 different payments between gun, import, shipping/tax that if I don't add it all up I won't know the real price of it and can be blissfully ignorant.

Always wanted an M1D. Shoots like a dream at least.
 
The Canadian 2nd hand market is abysmal. The EE is a cesspit, gunshows in ON are stale and hilariously out of touch. Distributors have had nothing for years.
The only decent option for milsurp collectors is the US market.
 
The Canadian 2nd hand market is abysmal. The EE is a cesspit, gunshows in ON are stale and hilariously out of touch. Distributors have had nothing for years.
The only decent option for milsurp collectors is the US market.

Not hardly.

Most of the milsurps I've seen for sale on US gunshow tables verge on FAIR only grade and command lower prices.

The very few that are in the VG to excellent category command prices that are just as high or higher than those in Canada.

I will agree, that they do have a larger selection of hard to find variants of some types of firearms. A lot of that has to do with their 2nd Ammendment rights to own them
 
A few years ago I looked at bringing in a lot of four rifles from a auction house. Basically most lots if you imported them at that point would after fees exchange and import result in you being able to sell 3 rifles and keep one to yourself at no cost. Now that is not the case and it will cost you close to or equivalent to what we would pay after all is said and done. The variety is greater though.
 
Just picked up a mint Brazilian 1908 Mauser that I won at the latest auction. It's unbelievable how little love these rifles get compared to German ones. Well, there're still pockets of value in the milsurp market these days. Just need to identify them and stay away from stuff that everybody wants and it gets bid up to some crazy prices.
 
Just picked up a mint Brazilian 1908 Mauser that I won at the latest auction. It's unbelievable how little love these rifles get compared to German ones. Well, there're still pockets of value in the milsurp market these days. Just need to identify them and stay away from stuff that everybody wants and it gets bid up to some crazy prices.

I like South American german made rifles...aside from a Swede 96...best value out there IMO
 
I'm amazed by the build and finish quality of this 1908, especially if we consider that it's just an infantry rifle. I also won a 1935 Brazilian Mauser at a different auction, that one I need to wait for to get shipped to me. So, for a price of an average .223 semi-auto I got two beautiful milsurps of the best quality. I'll be always checking auctions from now on.
 
I have just recently started watching the Canadian firearm auctions. Quite an eye opener! There are still a few reasonable deals out there but it seems the majority of milsurp rifles get bid up into the stratosphere! I can’t imagine anyone is making a profit reselling any of those! I also noted some very obvious fakes and restamps that sold for top dollar!
 
I have just recently started watching the Canadian firearm auctions. Quite an eye opener! There are still a few reasonable deals out there but it seems the majority of milsurp rifles get bid up into the stratosphere! I can’t imagine anyone is making a profit reselling any of those! I also noted some very obvious fakes and restamps that sold for top dollar!

It's strictly a rich guy collector's market now when it comes to surplus. Used to be poor's man paradise. No longer. $1000 bid on the auction translates to $1300-1500 final price, depends on one's location. On a side note I've noticed over the years that some of the buyers on those auctions have absolutely no clue about what they are buying and how much will they actually pay.
 
It's strictly a rich guy collector's market now when it comes to surplus. Used to be poor's man paradise. No longer. $1000 bid on the auction translates to $1300-1500 final price, depends on one's location. On a side note I've noticed over the years that some of the buyers on those auctions have absolutely no clue about what they are buying and how much will they actually pay.

Many milsurp buyers in general fit that description. It isn't necessarily anyone's fault, experience requires time and mistakes usually, but many people are ignorant towards what brings value/scarcity/condition on milsurps.
 
Many milsurp buyers in general fit that description. It isn't necessarily anyone's fault, experience requires time and mistakes usually, but many people are ignorant towards what brings value/scarcity/condition on milsurps.

Yup. I'm not blaming anyone, that's just an observation that I made first hand over the years of participating.
Their money, their decisions.
 
Started late, but made some good buys before it got STUPID.

Awesome. Good for You. I'm happy with what I have as well. I just can't justify those prices any longer. Occasionally one may come across something priced right, but that requires speed and luck.
I wouldn't want to be a new buyer within this market nowadays.
 
One of the main things that has brought the price of decent originals or even armory refurbs up is how many were just disposed of because of the apparent lack of value back in the hay days.

I've seen thousands of surplus rifles of every type stripped of all their viable parts to put into bins and be sold off to keep other rifles functional.

Canada sold of untold thousands of Longbranch No4 variants to many offshore nations, such as Greece, India, Pakistan, Italy and European countries. Many were just left behind after WWII to help those nations arm their police and militaries with firearms that were readily available as well as readily available ammunition. There was actually a shortage of 8x57 military ammo immediately after the WWII ended and it took years for factories to start loading again.

A lot of those parts became liabilities and were often sold off as scrap or to nations such as Canada that bought No4 rifles and spare parts out of Pakistan and India as well as other countries. Many were just sent to the smelters or dropped into the ocean because that was the cheapest way to dispose of them.

I've seen truck loads of new in the white No1 and No4 barrels sold off as scrap to be welded together and used for rebar posts. I did manage to salvage a few but don't have any left. I gave the last one to a friend who had it installed on a lovely build. It had one of the tightest bores I've ever seen.

I was lucky enough to be able to check the bore dimensions on twenty or so of each type before they got hauled away.

The other factor is that there are more collectors and shooters out there than I can ever remember.

Cheap milsurps were almost always fair to less than good in grade. Not all but most and you had to be able to pick through them to find the decent rifles.

Many of them, especially the Mauser variants were battlefield pick ups and hadn't been touched or cleaned since being laid down during surrender or in the field and it showed.

Good or better were always more expensive as they were often cleaned up before storage but only to minimal standards.

Very good rifles came out of captured armories or out of minimal refurbs.

New in the crate rifles came out of captured long term storage facilities.

Many rifles went through FTRs after the war, sometimes several of them as long as they stayed sound.

When nations get rid of rifles they do so for a good reason. There just aren't enough parts available to keep them in working order as they get desroyed or otherwise made unserviceable under field conditions or they're worn out, or they no longer have enough to go around, or they are obsolete to the point they become a liablity to their troops.

We get the left overs and there are a lot of people looking to get their hands on them.
 
Awesome. Good for You. I'm happy with what I have as well.
I just can't justify those prices any longer.

Occasionally one may come across something priced right, but that requires speed and luck.

This was the case for many EE offers for the last couple of year and not just for Milsurp.

Right place/Right time....even in my range price.

I haven't seen anything remotely interesting, even at an elevated price.... for awhile.

Think the last one worth texting "I take it" was a very, very nice (1942) Husqvarna M38.
 
This was the case for many EE offers for the last couple of year and not just for Milsurp.

Right place/Right time....even in my range price.

I haven't seen anything remotely interesting, even at an elevated price.... for awhile.

Think the last one worth texting "I take it" was a very, very nice (1942) Husqvarna M38.

I have seen some decent deals on occasion, the Romanian VZ 24 with crest intact that was for sale on here forever for 750$ was a steal in my opinion. Extremely rare to find one with the crest intact. I have bigger priorities in life currently, but otherwise I would have bought that pretty quickly.
 
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