Milsurp prices, big jump in 2 1/2 years.
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highlander
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Not surprising really.
Milsurps are a desirable collectors item, and getting more so all the time.
At the same time, they are becoming more scarce, and there's less and less of them coming up for sale, which always drives up the market.
I suspect that when C 71 comes into effect you'll see the prices going even higher as the non-banned ones will be in even more demand.
Milsurps are a desirable collectors item, and getting more so all the time.
At the same time, they are becoming more scarce, and there's less and less of them coming up for sale, which always drives up the market.
I suspect that when C 71 comes into effect you'll see the prices going even higher as the non-banned ones will be in even more demand.
It's ridiculous. I dont really have an explanation for it.
For example the Swedish AG 42.
The limited amount that is in Canada has been in Canada for a few decades. Supply has been constant, in that it's just been the secondary market for decades.
Prices were consistent with a slow rise in price due to inflation.
I bought a nice example for $225 in 2010. Just a couple years Later I saw that same rifle sell for $600. Now it is worth probably $800. It's crazy and I'm out of the game because of it.
I can see rapid price rises on guns that have a "new" supply and then that supply dries up. The rapid rise in guns that haven't seen new supply in decades is crazy.
For example the Swedish AG 42.
The limited amount that is in Canada has been in Canada for a few decades. Supply has been constant, in that it's just been the secondary market for decades.
Prices were consistent with a slow rise in price due to inflation.
I bought a nice example for $225 in 2010. Just a couple years Later I saw that same rifle sell for $600. Now it is worth probably $800. It's crazy and I'm out of the game because of it.
I can see rapid price rises on guns that have a "new" supply and then that supply dries up. The rapid rise in guns that haven't seen new supply in decades is crazy.
don't confuse asking price with selling price.
I see a lot of Swiss K31 (in what I would consider just fair -good condition) advertised for $1000. Would be nice to see for how much they really sell, if at all.
Swedish AG 42 in average condition are advertised for $700 nowadays, I wouldn't pay more than $300, but only if the rifles is in pristine condition. They are just not worth a penny more.
I see a lot of Swiss K31 (in what I would consider just fair -good condition) advertised for $1000. Would be nice to see for how much they really sell, if at all.
Swedish AG 42 in average condition are advertised for $700 nowadays, I wouldn't pay more than $300, but only if the rifles is in pristine condition. They are just not worth a penny more.
JohnDiggle
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I agree with the first part Polaris, but people are paying that nowadays. Maybe not you or I, but they’re going. I sold a spare K31 for $1250 last month outside the EE. I was asking for trade offers, and he offered $1250 instead. Wasn’t going to say no lol
Supply and demand and the popularity of online video reviews I believe have driven the market. I stopped buying stock a few years ago. Milsurp 500 is my latest investment and a surprisingly it's done better than my other portfolios
They were on sale for $269 if you look at the poster.
Actually, the famous "Christmas Sale" on the SVT-40 was $200.
Best $200 I ever spent.
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The mozzy cost 79$ back then
Eaglelord17
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Prices have been climbing, but over the last 2-1/2 years only really specific firearms have had big jumps. K31s, Swiss stuff of all the common variations, Finnish M39s, a couple other specific examples, but that's mostly it. In the case of the Swiss firearms its because supply finally dried up (and they were fantastic deals at 300$).
The rest of the firearms might have had slight increases but not nearly the same amount as say 5 or 10 years ago. When I started collecting the prices were significantly lower than what they are today. Now they more or less have stabilized as it is starting to get into the range that the demand isn't enough to justify the price. Basically anything above the 1000$ range as there is all sorts of firearms and other toys you can buy at that price (its much easier to drop 300$ on a M39 or K31 than 1k which can buy you all sorts of things).
The rest of the firearms might have had slight increases but not nearly the same amount as say 5 or 10 years ago. When I started collecting the prices were significantly lower than what they are today. Now they more or less have stabilized as it is starting to get into the range that the demand isn't enough to justify the price. Basically anything above the 1000$ range as there is all sorts of firearms and other toys you can buy at that price (its much easier to drop 300$ on a M39 or K31 than 1k which can buy you all sorts of things).
Frankiboy666
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Any kind of milsurps can only goes up in value even if we think they already cost to much. With the market drying up all the nicest ones already in hands of collector just wait when the "Call of duty" videogame generation start to have good jobs and start a collection on their own. You should see the face of the young guys at work when i tell them i own this or that rifle that they only saw in videogames. I'm telling you its still a good investment my friends
Casually following milsurp prices for the last 8-9 years, I noticed that...
1) US WW2 milsurp prices have been high relative to other milsurps for that entire period. Maybe there was a jump around Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers and the glut of WW2 first-person shooters that really kicked off in the early 2000's with Medal of Honor and the original Call of Duty
2) Prices have steadily risen for Lee-Enfields (and the non-Lee M1917/P14), especially Long Branch guns, so at some point, there's been an increase in Canadian milsurp fanciers
3) Some of that interest seems to have spilled over into other more modern milsurps like K31s and AG42s. Haven't paid attention to if this has affected prices for older milsurps or ones chambered for rounds that are harder to find
4) SVT-40 availability has dried up and it seems like Russian and Yugo SKS aren't as common as before. I suspect that many of these are ending up in the hands of militia in the conflicts in the ME and Ukraine
Milsurps are just a weird market in general because the guns are sold far below both historical and modern manufacturing cost (as guns like the Springfield M1A or AIA Enfields show). Many were made under command or wartime-economy conditions and with eye-watering economies of scale, and all availability comes from countries liquidating old war stocks - for example when India sold off their captured Pakistani No.4 Mk.2 rifles or when Ukraine or Russia periodically cleaned out stores of SVTs and Mosins and China cleared out old holdings of SKS rifles. Most times that occurs, we get a glut of rifles and their prices drop like a stone. Furthermore, in many of these cases, there's no way of knowing what further availability will be like. In the future, guns could end up being supplied to war zones instead. Bureaucracy or politics may keep them in the warehouses or sold to other parties as a political or diplomatic favour. Actual inventory may be regarded as state secrets. We may be able to confirm if (for example), all Swedish AG42Bs have been sold, but good luck counting how many SMLEs India has stored or how many forgotten ex-Soviet warehouses of SKS carbines remain and if/when they'll be available as surplus.
1) US WW2 milsurp prices have been high relative to other milsurps for that entire period. Maybe there was a jump around Saving Private Ryan or Band of Brothers and the glut of WW2 first-person shooters that really kicked off in the early 2000's with Medal of Honor and the original Call of Duty
2) Prices have steadily risen for Lee-Enfields (and the non-Lee M1917/P14), especially Long Branch guns, so at some point, there's been an increase in Canadian milsurp fanciers
3) Some of that interest seems to have spilled over into other more modern milsurps like K31s and AG42s. Haven't paid attention to if this has affected prices for older milsurps or ones chambered for rounds that are harder to find
4) SVT-40 availability has dried up and it seems like Russian and Yugo SKS aren't as common as before. I suspect that many of these are ending up in the hands of militia in the conflicts in the ME and Ukraine
Milsurps are just a weird market in general because the guns are sold far below both historical and modern manufacturing cost (as guns like the Springfield M1A or AIA Enfields show). Many were made under command or wartime-economy conditions and with eye-watering economies of scale, and all availability comes from countries liquidating old war stocks - for example when India sold off their captured Pakistani No.4 Mk.2 rifles or when Ukraine or Russia periodically cleaned out stores of SVTs and Mosins and China cleared out old holdings of SKS rifles. Most times that occurs, we get a glut of rifles and their prices drop like a stone. Furthermore, in many of these cases, there's no way of knowing what further availability will be like. In the future, guns could end up being supplied to war zones instead. Bureaucracy or politics may keep them in the warehouses or sold to other parties as a political or diplomatic favour. Actual inventory may be regarded as state secrets. We may be able to confirm if (for example), all Swedish AG42Bs have been sold, but good luck counting how many SMLEs India has stored or how many forgotten ex-Soviet warehouses of SKS carbines remain and if/when they'll be available as surplus.
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Phat Eagle
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Yup... just an example of supply and demand.
That's actually a bit more than I paid for mine a couple years back, and private sale so no tax either lol.
