Milsurp shootout Mosin 91/30 vs Enfield No 4 Mk 1
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By the way, on our own gov'ts "dnd" site you can see pictures of operation "NARWHAL 07" in which Canadian Rangers are disembarking a CH-146 Griffon helicopter carrying Enfields. This would at least qualify the .303 as still being currently used for "special" service by a world power.
The Enfield is a near perfect "basic tool" such as a shovel, even after 100's of years we still grab a shovel to dig a hole & can't seem to do without one.
I'll beat the witty ones out there to the punch.... yes the No.5 is a "spade".
Cheers
Jaguar/The County
The Enfield is a near perfect "basic tool" such as a shovel, even after 100's of years we still grab a shovel to dig a hole & can't seem to do without one.
I'll beat the witty ones out there to the punch.... yes the No.5 is a "spade". Cheers
Jaguar/The County
.303 ammo ( up to the MkVI , including Dum-Dum's ) had a muzzle velocity aprox. 400fps slower than the MkVII ...correct ??
It would be interesting to hear what a WWll Russian soldier had to say about the LeeEnfield...would he want to throw down his Mosin to pick up a fallen LE ? ( provided his CO, won't shoot him for doing so )
This trivial pict is of some *new*Winchester CXP3 180gr power points and 1980 SouthAfrican FMJ 174gr ( with aluminum tips ) which I found after going through a punky log and into soft clay.
It would be interesting to hear what a WWll Russian soldier had to say about the LeeEnfield...would he want to throw down his Mosin to pick up a fallen LE ? ( provided his CO, won't shoot him for doing so )
This trivial pict is of some *new*Winchester CXP3 180gr power points and 1980 SouthAfrican FMJ 174gr ( with aluminum tips ) which I found after going through a punky log and into soft clay.
The Lee Enfield action is inherently weak,this is primarily due to the locking lugs being positioned at the rear of the bolt. It may well be strong enough for the cartidges used but only just it is an inferior design. I can not think of any modern rifle that has it's locking lugs at the rear of the bolt. There is good reason for this.
Precision rifle use one piece stocks because ?
Yeah right
Weak? Strong enough to withstand almost a century of use and to be rechambered in 7.62 in DCRA rifles and .308 Win in the new AIA clones, not to mention the slew of rifles produced in India. Remember, the military built it for their ammunition, not for a buch of gunsmiths to rechamber them when the army moved on
Rear lugs? Reming 788 used them and has a cult following for accuracy
One piece stocks? Everyone uses them because that what mauser did, by it seems like everything produced by them is the only way to go these days
Rear lugs? Reming 788 used them and has a cult following for accuracy
One piece stocks? Everyone uses them because that what mauser did, by it seems like everything produced by them is the only way to go these days
Clobbersauras
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- Location
- Waaay out west.
I don't agree with your statement. It's gernerally accepted that the M16/Ar15 is much more accurate than the Ak-47. This is the same discussion here. So far no-one has been able to answer the question definitavely. D. Fortier did a test of a K98 Vs Mosin in an issue of shooting times. He used military ball in both rifles and fired them extensively from many positions and using various speed drills and courses of fire. His conclusion (which surprised him as well) was that the Mosin edged out he Mauser in accuracy at all distances. That's the kinda info I'm after...
- Location
- Manitoulin Island
It would be fun to have a "shootout" where people came with LE's, MN's and K98's. They could shoot a number of targets with each rifle and compare their scores. We could even throw in some Springfields.
- Location
- Tucson, Arizona
The cartridges up until the Mk7 had a MV ranging from 1830fps to 1930 Fps,
The MkVII mv was 2400fps. Still, the .303 served quite well in all it's variations. I doube the target knew the difference between being shot at 2400 fps and 2800 fps. Thare is no such thing as being "a little bit DEAD"
While the Metford rifling was designed for Black powder, Keep in mind that was only around for a couple of years. The Lee metford served with cordite ammo untill the hotter burning cordite washed out the shallow rifling and most of them were then rebarreled with Enfield rifling. They will handle MkVII ammo without a hiccup.
I am still amazed that ANYONE would think a two piece stock is less accurate than a one piece one. Quite a few hunting rifles have been made with two piece stocks.Thw two piece stock design made a lot good germans japs, italians,North Koreans, Chinese, and the L42A1 did for a number of Argies not to mention some arabs.
That current sniper rifles have one piece stocks is irrelevant, mainly because thats whats on the market today. The Swiss SIG 550 has a two piece stock as well as the Dragunov. I guess those must be inaccurate as well?
Again the fact that rear locking lugs are not used on modern rifles is irrelevant unless you are using high pressure ammo like 300 Win Mag, or .50 BMG ammunition Sniper rifles also use 7.62 Nato rounds and we KNOW the No4 will handle that.
The MkVII mv was 2400fps. Still, the .303 served quite well in all it's variations. I doube the target knew the difference between being shot at 2400 fps and 2800 fps. Thare is no such thing as being "a little bit DEAD"
While the Metford rifling was designed for Black powder, Keep in mind that was only around for a couple of years. The Lee metford served with cordite ammo untill the hotter burning cordite washed out the shallow rifling and most of them were then rebarreled with Enfield rifling. They will handle MkVII ammo without a hiccup.
I am still amazed that ANYONE would think a two piece stock is less accurate than a one piece one. Quite a few hunting rifles have been made with two piece stocks.Thw two piece stock design made a lot good germans japs, italians,North Koreans, Chinese, and the L42A1 did for a number of Argies not to mention some arabs.
That current sniper rifles have one piece stocks is irrelevant, mainly because thats whats on the market today. The Swiss SIG 550 has a two piece stock as well as the Dragunov. I guess those must be inaccurate as well?
Again the fact that rear locking lugs are not used on modern rifles is irrelevant unless you are using high pressure ammo like 300 Win Mag, or .50 BMG ammunition Sniper rifles also use 7.62 Nato rounds and we KNOW the No4 will handle that.
You really should do some research before posting. If you mean "rear locking bolt" and "the bullet comes out the end of the barrel" then ya, they are "virtually identical"........
MAS36 is also rear locking, and a top military sniper rifle, the FR F1 & F2 was designed on this platform....oh, and it's a 2 piece stock as well.
Only the early Lee Metford rifles were bult for a black powder charge. the No.4 action was designed from the ground up for a nitro-cellulose MkVII round.
The Mosin was also designed for a black powder charge in 1891.
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FALSE.
They differed in receiver bridge re-inforcement, steel formulation, heat treating, and countless other characteristics. They don't even all share the same bolt head system or trigger mechanism!
It is evident to me you understand VERY LITTLE about the differences between Lee Enfield variants.
