Mini-14 (another post)
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pitdogboy said:
well...
DELIBERATELY peppering animals = loser
peppering animals that wants to kill you = winner
I didn't give any details of why it had happen, so you might as well stick to posting comments related to what Lcpaintballer was asking...
I'm not saying he should pepper a bear, just that as a last resort 223 would work better than a 22.
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
OK, regardless of our personal opinions, lets end this thread by providing the information that LCpaintballer asked for. Here is what is needed to slow/stop anything that moves in Canada at close range short of a dump-truck.
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In my experience, at close ranges < 25 yards, anything thinking of eating you will soon lose its appetite.
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In my experience, at close ranges < 25 yards, anything thinking of eating you will soon lose its appetite.
Fair enough...I was not wanting to start crap...I look forward to the story.
That being said (again) bring the correct tool for the job...And I'll toss in a practice with it too.
This thread was not started as a 'last resort' question...
That being said (again) bring the correct tool for the job...And I'll toss in a practice with it too.
This thread was not started as a 'last resort' question...
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
Well the common Foster slugs you want will come rifled (looks more like a fluting than rifling). Don't use sabots. Cylinder bore to an Improved Cylinder choke should be fine with slugs. If your choke is tighter than an IC, I'd be concerned. The common smooth-bore rifled slug will be a hair larger in diameter than an IC choke, but the riflings on the slug will compress to fit through. I would NOT shoot slugs through a Full choke.
- Location
- Vancouver, BC
For safety sake, I can't answer that because I've never used a choke and everyone says a different thing, but if you take the question to the "shotgun discussion" I'm sure you'll have your answer in a couple minutes.
like everyones posts I wouldn't recommend a rifle in .223 for bear defense paintballer.
Having said that if the Mini is all you have at your disposal and it gives you a sense of security in the backcountry, by all means carry!!!. However if you could somehow scrape up 250$-300$ I'm sure you could purchase a used shortbarrelled 12-guage pump shotgun and then you would have a much more versatile "bush" gun.
Couch-Gator I'm glad you have had the good fortune to never witness predatory bear behaviour on your many wilderness forays. There are MILLIONS more people talking on cell phones or at risk of car crashes then people actually out in the wilderness in bear territory at any one time. I hope it doesn't offend you that I and most seasoned outdoorsmen I have ever known ALWAYS carry a firearm in the backcountry , provided it is legal to do so in the area. IMHO A good "bush" rifle/shotgun is an invaluable tool to be had, and has so many uses in the outdoors other than just bear defense or pissing-off hikers
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Nothing personal Just my .02
Mad Mikey.
Having said that if the Mini is all you have at your disposal and it gives you a sense of security in the backcountry, by all means carry!!!. However if you could somehow scrape up 250$-300$ I'm sure you could purchase a used shortbarrelled 12-guage pump shotgun and then you would have a much more versatile "bush" gun.
Couch-Gator I'm glad you have had the good fortune to never witness predatory bear behaviour on your many wilderness forays. There are MILLIONS more people talking on cell phones or at risk of car crashes then people actually out in the wilderness in bear territory at any one time. I hope it doesn't offend you that I and most seasoned outdoorsmen I have ever known ALWAYS carry a firearm in the backcountry , provided it is legal to do so in the area. IMHO A good "bush" rifle/shotgun is an invaluable tool to be had, and has so many uses in the outdoors other than just bear defense or pissing-off hikers
.Nothing personal Just my .02
Mad Mikey.
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Dukeoflawnchair
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- Location
- Fort St John
Couch-Gator...is your 820 stainless, or just nicely polished? Also, where do you buy your Brenneke's in the vancouver area? Federal Powershoks do the trick, but the signs clearly recommend Brenneke...
Icpaintballer: Out of curiosity, why are you limiting yourself to non-rifled slugs? Here's a good article worth reading...a lot of people don't like this guy for a lot of his opinions, but at least he's done his homework.
http://ww w.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
Icpaintballer: Out of curiosity, why are you limiting yourself to non-rifled slugs? Here's a good article worth reading...a lot of people don't like this guy for a lot of his opinions, but at least he's done his homework.
http://ww w.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_slugs.htm
Is it true? Is it possible to kill a bear with .22lr? I mean, I have no experience with .22, and have no idea as to it's power, but it's known to be pretty gutless round. But I guess really seasoned shooter might accomplish this.
Anyone can tell me, what kind of shooting you need to do with .22 to kill something like bear? Type of ammo needed?
Anyone can tell me, what kind of shooting you need to do with .22 to kill something like bear? Type of ammo needed?
I cant even get close enough to take a friggin picture without them running off...
as kids we used to yell and throw rocks in their direction and they would take off running.
Its the cougars you need to be mindful of.
Even this last deer season... I saw a bear and wanted a picture of it. So, i slowly walked toward it ( trying not to spook it) and it got up and walked 25 yards to its left. As it did this, I stopped and got real low to the ground.... the bear then went back to the place it was before and sat down. He was sniffing the air trying to see if I was still there or not... then as I began to approach again, he was just sitting there until I got within 50 yards of him.. then when he realized I was there he ran off so fast I could barely get the camera up to take a shot.
Black bears are chicken ####s.
for $100 I'll walk up and try and kick one in the ass if you want. I wont even get close to it before it takes off.
as kids we used to yell and throw rocks in their direction and they would take off running.
Its the cougars you need to be mindful of.
Even this last deer season... I saw a bear and wanted a picture of it. So, i slowly walked toward it ( trying not to spook it) and it got up and walked 25 yards to its left. As it did this, I stopped and got real low to the ground.... the bear then went back to the place it was before and sat down. He was sniffing the air trying to see if I was still there or not... then as I began to approach again, he was just sitting there until I got within 50 yards of him.. then when he realized I was there he ran off so fast I could barely get the camera up to take a shot.
Black bears are chicken ####s.
for $100 I'll walk up and try and kick one in the ass if you want. I wont even get close to it before it takes off.
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- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
First off, let's be clear what it is we are talking about. There is a world of difference between shooting an unsuspecting bear and one that has you in his sights and is stalking or charging you. In a hunting situation, even large bears are not difficult to kill with a well placed shot, and minimum calibers are often used successfully. The situation changes when the range is measured in feet rather than yards. Fear is not conducive to good shooting, and a shot which would knock down an unsuspecting bear will scarcely be felt by one loaded up on adrenaline.
Another fact to consider is that bears, at least the ones around here, do no respond well to live fire, and are as likely to approach you as they are to run away. A cracker shell gun is the correct tool for chasing a bear away. When that fails to work, you can step up to a lethal deterrent. Don't wast your ammo firing warning shots or trying to kick dirt in his face. If he has moved within your comfort zone kill him.
What is the best firearm for this purpose? Well, as stated by previous posters, if we conclude that a .223 carbine is not the answer, a 12 gauge pump or auto shotgun is a good place to start. Pick a model with a manageable barrel length, no longer than 24", and consider a model with rifle sights, which are useful when shooting slugs. I am not really on board with those who suggest getting the cheapest gun available. If that is all your budget allows, then you will have to make out as best you can, but the guns priced in the moderate to expensive range tend to be more reliable, fit better, and are more user friendly.
Purchasing the gun is not enough. now you need to practice so that you are competent if faced with an emergency. You will probably have to fire 400 rounds of ammunition before you reach a competent level. Do not attempt to do this in too short a period of time. First you must shoot enough to familiarize yourself with your new gun. Then you can begin working on marksmanship, and finally on timed drills and moving targets. Once you are competent, you will have developed the confidence to handle most situations.
Another important consideration is learning about bear behavior. There is a wealth of information out there, but I would direct you to the books by Gary Shelton and by Steven Herrero. Also sign up for any bear defence classes which may be available in your area.
Another fact to consider is that bears, at least the ones around here, do no respond well to live fire, and are as likely to approach you as they are to run away. A cracker shell gun is the correct tool for chasing a bear away. When that fails to work, you can step up to a lethal deterrent. Don't wast your ammo firing warning shots or trying to kick dirt in his face. If he has moved within your comfort zone kill him.
What is the best firearm for this purpose? Well, as stated by previous posters, if we conclude that a .223 carbine is not the answer, a 12 gauge pump or auto shotgun is a good place to start. Pick a model with a manageable barrel length, no longer than 24", and consider a model with rifle sights, which are useful when shooting slugs. I am not really on board with those who suggest getting the cheapest gun available. If that is all your budget allows, then you will have to make out as best you can, but the guns priced in the moderate to expensive range tend to be more reliable, fit better, and are more user friendly.
Purchasing the gun is not enough. now you need to practice so that you are competent if faced with an emergency. You will probably have to fire 400 rounds of ammunition before you reach a competent level. Do not attempt to do this in too short a period of time. First you must shoot enough to familiarize yourself with your new gun. Then you can begin working on marksmanship, and finally on timed drills and moving targets. Once you are competent, you will have developed the confidence to handle most situations.
Another important consideration is learning about bear behavior. There is a wealth of information out there, but I would direct you to the books by Gary Shelton and by Steven Herrero. Also sign up for any bear defence classes which may be available in your area.
