Miniature BP cannons...
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NavyShooter
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Ok, great....but where are they under the law?
I like having chapter/verse handy....
Anyone?
NS
I like having chapter/verse handy....
Anyone?
NS
l As stated earlier, they are matchlocks if shot and signaling devices with blank charges and replicas of antiques if sitting on the mantlepiece. All those categories are covered in cc84 1(b) SOR 98-464 except for the replica. They do not have to be registered under cc84 3. I am too lazy to look for you but probably elsewhere in cc84 you will find that a handgun is defined as being designed to be shot with one hand. Since these are not so designed they become your choices above.
I am almost positive that it is cc 84 3 where you will find that if you rob a bank with any object used to represent a firearm, then that object is a firearm for legal purposes.
Look up those sections; they should be online. Section 84 is a section of definitions. If it is not online, request a copy of the gazetted version of C68 (the firearms act) from the Dept of Justice. My copy is titled "the statutes of Canada". You do have to be careful with the numbers because it is easy to confuse the firearms act numbers with the criminal code numbers.
cheers mooncoon
I am almost positive that it is cc 84 3 where you will find that if you rob a bank with any object used to represent a firearm, then that object is a firearm for legal purposes.
Look up those sections; they should be online. Section 84 is a section of definitions. If it is not online, request a copy of the gazetted version of C68 (the firearms act) from the Dept of Justice. My copy is titled "the statutes of Canada". You do have to be careful with the numbers because it is easy to confuse the firearms act numbers with the criminal code numbers.
cheers mooncoon
NavyShooter
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Thanks Mooncoon!
That's exactly what I was after!
NS
That's exactly what I was after!
NS
juanvaldez
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My mortar if it ever gets here.
Copied this from the Justice Dept. Criminal code.
Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms
(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm;
(b) any device that is
(i) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges or for firing stud cartridges, explosive-driven rivets or other industrial projectiles, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed;
(c) any shooting device that is
(i) designed exclusively for the slaughtering of domestic animals, the tranquillizing of animals or the discharging of projectiles with lines attached to them, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed; and
( d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.
NB
) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges
Hope this clears up any misconceptions.
Cheers nessy.
Certain weapons deemed not to be firearms
(3) For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:
(a) any antique firearm;
(b) any device that is
(i) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges or for firing stud cartridges, explosive-driven rivets or other industrial projectiles, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed;
(c) any shooting device that is
(i) designed exclusively for the slaughtering of domestic animals, the tranquillizing of animals or the discharging of projectiles with lines attached to them, and
(ii) intended by the person in possession of it to be used exclusively for the purpose for which it is designed; and
( d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge
(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or
(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.
NB
) designed exclusively for signalling, for notifying of distress, for firing blank cartridges
Hope this clears up any misconceptions.
Cheers nessy.
nessy357 said:
While that's all fine and dandy, what exactly is the LEGAL definition of a weapon? If you shoot projectiles out of these cannons, it doesn't mean that it's a weapon. Wouldn't intent have anything to do with it? Using the legal concept of "reasonable man", would a reasonable man expect these cannons to be used as weapons?
With the exception of firearms, a weapon is defined by its use and intent. All firearms are defined as weapons and that is straight from a judges mouth during a trial (R vs Quocksister). They differ from all other objects in that regard apparently.
Go back to one of my original postings; your personal use of the cannon defines its category and it can be an antique, a replica or a signaling device (firing blanks). None of these categories require registration.
cheers mooncoon
Go back to one of my original postings; your personal use of the cannon defines its category and it can be an antique, a replica or a signaling device (firing blanks). None of these categories require registration.
cheers mooncoon
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tonyg said:
.80 cal...not sure what I am gonna fire in her yet, any ideas?
Polar Man
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Any machinists that could make me a .50 cal 12 inch bore from some bar stock, and maybe a perpindicular hole at the end to weld a cross bar through for mounting? (oh yeah and a fuse hole)
I want to make a simple model of a cannon, pm me for further discussion if interested, or if you know someone who will.
I want to make a simple model of a cannon, pm me for further discussion if interested, or if you know someone who will.
Oh the memories,
I made a nice little .50 cal. bronze cannon on my dad's lathe when I was about 14. My buds and I used to shoot rivets and .50 cal. lead balls and marbles and other fun stuff out of it. My dad recommended we use long handled welders tongs to hold a match to the touch hole and wear a face shield, after all he didn't want us to get hurt
Wonder what ever happened to that beauty.....
I made a nice little .50 cal. bronze cannon on my dad's lathe when I was about 14. My buds and I used to shoot rivets and .50 cal. lead balls and marbles and other fun stuff out of it. My dad recommended we use long handled welders tongs to hold a match to the touch hole and wear a face shield, after all he didn't want us to get hurt
Wonder what ever happened to that beauty.....
K now I'm sold, looks like a fun lil hobby.
What about powder? Do these lil cannons have a specific type? Just plain ole black powder and how much?
Hopefully they come with an owners manual. And can we shoot confeti out of them?!
Gonna get me one.
What about powder? Do these lil cannons have a specific type? Just plain ole black powder and how much?
Hopefully they come with an owners manual. And can we shoot confeti out of them?!
Gonna get me one.
