Mn 91/30

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I have decided that I want a Mosin-Nagant 91/30. I have taken a look at the P&S Militaria website and I am a little confused. What is the difference between a 91/30 and a M91/30? Hex or Round receiver? Why are the rifles in the Mosin-Nagant section cheaper then the Mosin-Nagants in the general Military Rifles section?:confused:
 
- 91/30 and M91/30 same thing M is short for Model

- Russians used Hex receivers untill 1936 after they went to a round receiver untill the end of production in the 50's.

- Laminated stock rifles are more expensive than hardwood stock rifles, because a lot fewer were made.
 
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Polish-Jack said:
What is a laminated stock?
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Laminates are made by taking thin sheets of hardwood, soaking them in glue and them compresing them together under imense pressure. Dying alternating sheets of the wood can make for very nice looking stocks.
You can see the alternating light and dark sheets from the rear view.
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Polish-Jack said:
Why would the Russians use such a technique on a mass-produced military rifle?
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The Germans did it too with the K98 and other rifles. Laminates are harder, stronger, and more resitant to warping and rotting than traditional wood stocks.
I don't know the real reason why the germans and russian did it though, could be a shortage of suitable wood during the war, or mabey they just liked laminates. It's not a very difficult process to make laminate blanks though. The russians made laminate SKS and AK furniture well after the war.
 
Polish-Jack said:
Thanks for all the info. Is there anything I should look out for when buying a 91/30?
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Stay away from the Hungarian Heavy Ball surplus ammo.....it's accurate but loaded very hot and kicks like hell......;)
 
Polish-Jack said:
Define a "good 91/30"
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Well, given your inexperience with them, I'd buy from a trusted source who will take care of you. I'd recommend Jean at P&S Militaria.

He's knowledgeable, honest and sets fair pricing. He's always responded to my queries with a friendly, helpful and bluntly honest appraisal of the item I'm asking him about. If he doesn't have it, he'll tell you that and not try to BS his way through a sale that you wouldn't be happy with. I think he'd help you out by ensuring you got the pick of the litter as to what he currently has in stock of 91/30's.

Just my opinion...... :)

Regards,
Doug
 
Well, given your inexperience with them, I'd buy from a trusted source who will take care of you. I'd recommend Jean at P&S Militaria.

He's knowledgeable, honest and sets fair pricing. He's always responded to my queries with a friendly, helpful and bluntly honest appraisal of the item I'm asking him about. If he doesn't have it, he'll tell you that and not try to BS his way through a sale that you wouldn't be happy with. I think he'd help you out by ensuring you got the pick of the litter as to what he currently has in stock of 91/30's.

Just my opinion......
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And a good one because I agree. ;)

You can't go wrong with P&S :cool:
 
To answer your question about why a country like the Soviet Union or Germany would use laminates, the answer is simple economics. It was cheaper to use laminates and there was much less wastage.

I second the advice about Jean, he is a good guy to deal with. Don't hesitate to e-mail him direct if you have more questions.

A good 91/30 is one with a nice bore, lots of blueing on the metal, no pitting in the metal, no cracks in the stock and most importantly, good headspace. Don't worry about small marks in the wood, such as the odd nick or scratch, thats "character". Remember most of these rifles saw action in World War Two.
 
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Any mosin is a good mosin, as most have seen service and have lots of character. Even ones with crappy bores seem to shoot pretty well. Carbines (the short ones i.e. M38 or M44) give a good kick and the concussion from the blast is quite noticeable to bystanders (good for annoying the old men at the range). Some find it uncomfortable like Hitzy (who always cries about the hungarian heavy ball :) )and others love it, no pain no gain right?

as for finding your first one, I would suggest a remington or westinghouse one, they are usually the cheapest, good shooters, some with LOTS of history (mine has seen combat with the Americans, Russians and Finns, look for SA stamped ones). I would look around on the forums and at places like valleyguns.com, you will most likely find one for a better price than mail ordering or from someplace that'll make you pay tax...
 
I'll second, third, whatever the comments about Jean @ P&S.
My M44 arrived last week, no hassle, great service and I could not believe the condition it was in. Looks new.
With shipping to BC & taxes it totalled $180.
But I'm scared to shoot it after all the comments about the recoil !!
 
Iron Glove said:
I'll second, third, whatever the comments about Jean @ P&S.
My M44 arrived last week, no hassle, great service and I could not believe the condition it was in. Looks new.
With shipping to BC & taxes it totalled $180.
But I'm scared to shoot it after all the comments about the recoil !!
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C'mon, with a handle like Iron Glove, you should handle that no problem. :p
 
Russia used M91 style hex receivers until 1936 when supplies of that type ran out. Round receiver used thereafter. Occassional hex receivers show up with later dates, including M38 & 44 carbines.

The Mosins in the military section are recent imports from the US, reflecting current costs for Cdn. importers. Same with those sold by S.I.R.
 
I bought an 1891/30 from P&S about a year ago. I was stunned by its condition which was like-new and better than any Enfield or similar rifle I could get for the same price. The people in the gun store I brought it to were amazed and wanted to know where I had found one like it. Bolt was shiney and perfect, bore was VG+, wood was almost unblemished.

Only problem was a sticking bolt with lacquered-steel Czech military surplus. Switching to brass cased ammo has so far allieviated that problem.

BTW If you want to scope your rifle for some reason with the original PU mounts, I think you need a round receiver.
 
I bought my 1891/30 from S.I.R. and was happy enough with the condition of it. They have sent me crap in the past though, namely the Chinese K-98 variants they used to carry. So far from them I bought a .303 Mark 5 Jungle Carbine, No.2MkI .38 enfield revolver, M.A.B pistol, and a Swedish AG-42, all ok guns.

From P&S I recently bought a Swedish M1938 short rifle in 6.5 x 55 and I found him very friendly and helpful and recommend him too.

I found Marstar a real ##### to deal with though and would hate to ever bother with them again if anyone else carried the same items.
 
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