Mod 98
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Yup I got a Hebrew hammer. Mines German made in occupied CZ. If you are using iron sights you are going to need a taller front sight. They shoot high, as the sights are still calibrated for 8x57. 8mm stripper clips work with 308/762.
maple_leaf_eh
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In my shopping experience, you'll have much better luck feeding it a variety of milsurp 7.62x51 than finding 8mm Mauser.
In my shooting experience, the Spanish FR-7 and 8 are the better Mauser 98 arsenal versions. The back sight is close to your eye and therefore has better grouping. There are South American 7.62 conversions, but their barrels are more conventional long lengths and have the original tangent sights.
In my shooting experience, the Spanish FR-7 and 8 are the better Mauser 98 arsenal versions. The back sight is close to your eye and therefore has better grouping. There are South American 7.62 conversions, but their barrels are more conventional long lengths and have the original tangent sights.
I was under the impression the Spaniards were designed for 7.62 CETME a milder pressure load than 7.62 NATO. Maybe I'm mistaken?
Most 98 mausers and other military rifles "shoot high" with the issue front sight. They are zeroed for 300 yards.
The Israelis did the same with their battle sights. May have even used original manufacture sights as the trajectories of the two cartridges, when loaded to military specs are very similalar.
They were loaded to similar pressures, 47K psi, but the 7.62 CETME cartridge was loaded with a lighter SPBT bullet, that had an exposed lead base and a plastic insert in the nose. Weight of the bullet was 112 grains.
Great bullets. I have a couple of thousand left and in .308 bore rifles, with exc bores they are very accurate and recoil is very mild, even at higher velocities.
The Spaniards used a fast burning, flake type powder that is very similar to some of the Rottweil offerings for pistols. Good powder but only for light bullets in medium sized cases.
maple_leaf_eh
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Post 13 of https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...-62-Nato-vs-CETME/page2?highlight=colin+spain is worth revisiting. There is a lot of misinformation about Spanish cartridges and Spanish conversions. As my friend Colin discovered, the Spaniards had moved on from their initial experiences - the English speaking gun literature did not.
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Ah.. I've tried to make them POA/POI at 100. I still have mine shooting about 6" off. Mine was D&T, so I dont have that problem anymore.
True but they were chambered for the same cartridges.
The FR7 is considered to be safe with Nato spec ammo
I seriously like anything ex-IDF , their cz-75’s work good too!
Shoot it, they're quite accurate, as long as the bore is in exc condition.
The barrels on those rifles started life chambered in 30-06 springfield.
When Brazil decided to use 7.62x51 they utilized a lot of M1954 receivers they had on hand. They were sent to the Itajuba facility for the ''upgrades'' which included stock modification, addition of a rubber recoil pad, installation or a H&K drum type rear sight and a muzzle brake.
They had a bunch of spare barrels on hand chambered for 30-06, which they set back the shoulders on and cleaned up the chambers with a 7.62x51 reamer and installed them in the receivers.
They slathered the stocks with some sort of clear epoxy, which seems quite durable.
They also bead blasted the metal parts.
Handy little rifles that look a bit crude but are very serviceable.
Brazilians like to load their ammo on the HOT side, with a ball type powder that is very similar to W760.
If the powder is of the extruded type, it's very similar to IMR4895
There isn't any Brazilian surplus ammo available anymore so just about any surplus 7.62 Nato will work. Accuracy will depend on the quality of the ammo.
I used to handload for mine but also found Federal Blue Box with 150 grain bullets shot acceptably for a battle rifle.
These rifles were never intended for general issue, although a lot of them ended up in Police service.
They were a stopgap made up to familiarize their troops with the standard sights on the incoming G93 rifles, which would also be made in Brazil, under contract, after the first initial orders were filled.
The barrels on those rifles started life chambered in 30-06 springfield.
When Brazil decided to use 7.62x51 they utilized a lot of M1954 receivers they had on hand. They were sent to the Itajuba facility for the ''upgrades'' which included stock modification, addition of a rubber recoil pad, installation or a H&K drum type rear sight and a muzzle brake.
They had a bunch of spare barrels on hand chambered for 30-06, which they set back the shoulders on and cleaned up the chambers with a 7.62x51 reamer and installed them in the receivers.
They slathered the stocks with some sort of clear epoxy, which seems quite durable.
They also bead blasted the metal parts.
Handy little rifles that look a bit crude but are very serviceable.
Brazilians like to load their ammo on the HOT side, with a ball type powder that is very similar to W760.
If the powder is of the extruded type, it's very similar to IMR4895
There isn't any Brazilian surplus ammo available anymore so just about any surplus 7.62 Nato will work. Accuracy will depend on the quality of the ammo.
I used to handload for mine but also found Federal Blue Box with 150 grain bullets shot acceptably for a battle rifle.
These rifles were never intended for general issue, although a lot of them ended up in Police service.
They were a stopgap made up to familiarize their troops with the standard sights on the incoming G93 rifles, which would also be made in Brazil, under contract, after the first initial orders were filled.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Good reminder! The offending Brazilian ammo a couple lots of 1975 CBC in cardboard boxes of 25 labelled "REENGASTADO" or something close. It was too hot for acceptance, and sold to the Chileans. FAMAE pulled the bullets and stewed the powder. But somewhere the powder was adulterated with pistol powder. The reloaded rounds blew up Chilean guns. Somehow several pallets arrived in North America. It was cheap but blew up a couple guys' expensive machine guns. There is a recall notice for that year and that packaging. But ... if the ammo is in known white boxes of 20 with HPBTM 155gr bullets, it is Gold Cross properly remanufactured ammo sold for target shooting and quite good.
https://forum.cartridgecollectors.org/t/recalled-cbc-7-62x51mm-ammo/7719
Ganderite bought up all of that powder, after International had it broken down for components.
His explanation was that "a barrel of an inappropriate powder had been mistakenly added to the hopper during the charging process and wasn't caught in their random testing"
I had several cases of that SBC and it was indeed all in two lots, that overlapped each other's production dates.
There were several catastrophic failures, in Canada as well as the nation the reloaded ammo was mde up for.
SBC, out of Brazil reloads for most of the South American and even a few off shore nations.
I went through one of their facilities in Belo Horizonte'.
Huge place, where the fired cartridge cases come in on 24 wheeler trucks, rail cars and likely now, containers. Same goes for primers, bullets and powder.
Their processing facilities and the spectrum of what they do really needs to be seen to be believed.
Ganderite took all of that reclaimed powder and blended it together into one big safe lot.
He wrote a report on that here a few years ago. You might have missed it.
That's a lot of powder, even for Ganderite to use up. I have no idea what he did with all of it.
Likely moved it along to friends at very reasonable prices.
I bought up 20k primed brass and bullets at fire sale prices.
Shot up about 5k and sold the rest at gun shows.
The bullets were excellent for pulled surplus. Shot very well out of the M14 I had back then
The iron sights on your rifle are set up for a 300 yd zero, which would be 8 inches high at 100 yards.
