Model 12 take down

That description in the EE always leaves me confused as well, or at least makes me wonder if the seller knows the gun or is just flipping it. I always thought the non takedown was a 25 as well.
 
Yes more Struff sarcasm referring to EE I also was curious on how many would mention the model 25 as it is a model 25 not a model 12 besides not being a takedown there are many other internal diefirances . Long live the model 12 the best pump gun ever designed and built and yes better than the model 31 Remington
 
struff55 said:
Yes more Struff sarcasm referring to EE I also was curious on how many would mention the model 25 as it is a model 25 not a model 12 besides not being a takedown there are many other internal diefirances . Long live the model 12 the best pump gun ever designed and built and yes better than the model 31

That is one man's opinion.:) Like chevy and Ford .I have examples of pretty much most models in pumps as i bet you do and the model 31 IMO beats the model 12 overall probally why I sold off all of my model 12's except three, a 16,20 and a 28 but never sold any model 31
All that being said the market for both models is getting smaller and smaller as we old guys die off. Young shooters could not care less about them
I also like the ithaca pumps and those browning model 12 clones work well and I saved a full set of each model . Worst I have I would say is a Akkar no really it was a remington 887 which i won but that is long gone
Honestly if we go with the experts for total sales, quality and design they would say the best ever is a remington 870 wingmaster
Look at the run that one has had and still going strong
Cheers
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The wingmaster is. Good quality working mans gun everything else named 870 is junk model 12 is a work of art and has been produced as art with many high grade variations that command huge $'s the 31 is a good gun but could never stand beside the model12's when it came to firing millions of rounds on the trap fields . In the early yrs a model 12 was used in the Olympic 's
 
struff55 said:
The wingmaster is. Good quality working mans gun everything else named 870 is junk model 12 is a work of art and has been produced as art with many high grade variations that command huge $'s the 31 is a good gun but could never stand beside the model12's when it came to firing millions of rounds on the trap fields . In the early yrs a model 12 was used in the Olympic 's
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I find the values of even the high end model 12's have dropped big time over the past ten years
Been a long time since I seen a model 31 being used on a trap or skeet field and probally 15 years since I seen the last model 12 being used. There was a guy here that shot skeet with one every week. I think it was a factory cutts installation since there was no choke marked on the barrel. It had a ribbed barrel and some real nice wood.
In fact I should probaly try to find out what ever happened to it since the owner would be in his late 70's now and has not shot for years. May be worth picking up
Cheers
 
struff55 said:
The wingmaster is. Good quality working mans gun everything else named 870 is junk model 12 is a work of art and has been produced as art with many high grade variations that command huge $'s the 31 is a good gun but could never stand beside the model12's when it came to firing millions of rounds on the trap fields . In the early yrs a model 12 was used in the Olympic 's
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The 870P is not junk. It's easily on par with a Wingmaster, just a different purpose gun.

The rest of them, well that's a different matter.
 
struff55 said:
The wingmaster is. Good quality working mans gun everything else named 870 is junk model 12 is a work of art and has been produced as art with many high grade variations that command huge $'s the 31 is a good gun but could never stand beside the model12's when it came to firing millions of rounds on the trap fields . In the early yrs a model 12 was used in the Olympic 's
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If one has any mechanical or machining background then a M12 is a marvel of manufacturing. No wonder Winchester went broke. M31 Rem a nice pump, Wingmasters were good shooters albeit muzzle heavy I always thought. 870's on par with a canoe paddle IMO...
 
M12shooter said:
If one has any mechanical or machining background then a M12 is a marvel of manufacturing. No wonder Winchester went broke. M31 Rem a nice pump, Wingmasters were good shooters albeit muzzle heavy I always thought. 870's on par with a canoe paddle IMO...
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IMO Marvel alright until you break a firing pin and a round slam fires with no finger on the trigger. Yee haww, after you clean your drawers and thank God you didnot kill someone all is good
This kind of changed my opinion on them many years ago. Wonder how many guys got shot as a result of this marvel
Yes sir easy to change the pin if you can get the retractor screw out and know it is broken since most times it still works for a while
Wonder how many guys left that can even work on them today. Know epps had a good smith on them years ago but not aware of anyone else
I will take the canoe paddle that most can fix in the dark and not fire on their own
The winchester marvel for me was the super x1
Cheers
 
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I grew up with the old school gun traders. Guys would show up at turkey shoots with 25 to 50 guns in the trunk for sale.lolthe model 12 rained supreme at all the shoots.
 
dutchhunter said:
I grew up with the old school gun traders. Guys would show up at turkey shoots with 25 to 50 guns in the trunk for sale.lolthe model 12 rained supreme at all the shoots.
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Yes when I started shooting everyone had at least one for trap or skeet or hunting
They did their time however IMO and now they are rarely seen in any numbers even in Trap where they ruled for many years
Cheers
 
I never see Model 12's in competitions. At our informal Sunday trap shootings sessions I rarely see any pump guns at all and then usually 870's. Winchesters are not well represented at all. Even at the last gun show there were only a couple of model 12's and they were priced in the 1000.00 range. There should be more of them out there. Winchester made quite a few.
 
Have been following this thread along. Personally I think trends in guns make the changes such as trends in clothing. When I started shooting trap in the late 60's I used a M-12, then went to a SX M-1 when they came out in 74, even had an SX skeet version. I went to a Win 101 OU in the late 70's, then finally a Classic Doubles when they were being sold off by Jaquaes in Ohio. Also had a Ruger Red Label in there along the line. All the fellas and gals I shot with over the years all started out with usually a Remington 1100 then graduated to a OU when they decided to get serious, or as funds allowed. It just seemed to be the progression of the sport and shooters. For me I just found an OU to be far less complicated. Far less moving parts enhanced reliability and cleaning, as well as some obvious safety features like when an OU is broke open it is easy to observe the chambers.
The younger generations appear to be enthralled by space age plastic composite stocks with various colour enhancements. A M-12 with a cutts will still break just as many targets in the right hands as it ever did except those hands have all passed on and the gun has gone out of style.
 
brownie said:
Yes, there is a model 12 featherweight that is not a take down. made in the 1950,s and it has an F ahead of the serial number.
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?? New one on me but been a lot of years since I been really around them. Featherweights are still take down from what I recall other than it is not a model 12 normal take down. The big nut on the end of the mag tube is loosened, then the barrel can be turned a 1/4 turn to be removed.

Please share an example of this one you mention. Maybe Struff55 knows of it since he is the bomb on these model 12's
Cheers
 
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