Model 12LRPV question

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I'm thinking of buying one of these (.223) in the right bolt left port configuration. I'd be getting the 1-9 twist as I don't need to shoot the heavies. Does anyone have one and care to comment on it? Does it still need to be bedded? I was thinking of buying an action, barrel and stock and putting it all together and then thought I might just try this route. Thanks in advance.
 
You will probably find similar responses from other members. The rifle, out of the box, should shoot quite fine. The 1 in 9 twist is great up to 69 gr bullets. Some rifles shoot 75's ok but the 2 (223 cal) Savages I own top out at 69 gr for accuracy (I am fine with this). My preference is 52 gr A-max's with 25.5 - 26.5 gr of Varget and CCI SR BR primers. If I am not mistaken, the LRPV is pillar bedded and should require no modification.

These targets are the best my skill has delivered so far.
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My BTVSS pictured here has the same barrel as on a LRPV.
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Savage 12LRPV comes with HS Pres stock, it has an aluminum bedding block, not pillars.

Anyways, shoot it first - and if you see any pattern related to bedding issue - bed it.

In my opinion, any HS Pres stock MUST be bedded. Why? just take the barreled action out and look how it sits in the block - you will see two lines on the receiver - from aluminum bedding block - it will be only 10-20% of surface contact......
so - bed it - this is I would definitely do, but the key is to leave the rear part of the receiver (tongue) hanging - this is a trick from the Savage engineers.

read also:

1. http://www.savageshooters.com/images/Articles/Bedding101/image008.jpg

2. http://savageaccuracy.com/2010/02/01/how-i-tune-a-savage-receiver/
 
I have the same in a 6BR, and did skim bed it with Devcon. Below is before and after pics. They do appear to hand scrape the aluminum block to fit it to the action, but I think bedding makes it perfect instead of close. I did not shoot enough before groups to claim it improved group size. But they are very good now. Over half of the three shot groups at 100 meters are in the 0.1XX" - 0.2XX" range with good loads.

I bedded the tang area. It makes no sense to me to create a diving board effect by letting the tang end hang loose and then torque it up. You go to great effort to create a stress free bedding, so why intentionally put stress in it.

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I think Ron and Pilgrim have great advice. OEM omposite stocks are better off being pillar bedded.

I'll toss out a point for consideration and take it for what it is worth...

Opposing bolt-port configuartions are meant for benchrest shooters that are shooting a maximum number of rounds down range, free-recoil (or damned close to it) and in a very short span of time in order to exploit/capitalize on ONE atmospheric condition before it changes. Its use in varmint hunting and long range application shooting is lost.

The down-sides to this configuration is that it removes a big chunk of metal form the action, and (in the case fo the the Savage) reduces over-all stiffness of the action, and it now takes two hands to cycle the action and load ammo. This is not a good thing for varmint hunting at all.

If your purpose is the pursuit of tiny groups using very heavy front pedestal rests, go for it. For all other applications, keeping one hand on the gun is never a bad thing, especially when trying to correct for a missed long range varmint shot.
 
Thanks for the info and advice. The Model 12LRPV has the target trigger which is kind of what I was looking for.
 
I have the LRPV 9 twist in 22-250. It will put ten into just a smidge under 1moa. So I didn't get the classic "savage accuracy" everyone talks about, but you can spot your own shots with the weight of the rifle and it is deadly on gophers . Mine had poor contact with the bedding block, and the block was slightly twisted from the barrel channel, I didn't measure but it was only contacting opposing corners of the action when placed in the stock. Also the front action screw only had about 2 threads of contact. They all can't be perfect no matter who makes it.

I prefer to load the action with my left hand, and pick out the empty the same hand. From a bench it is very handy. I shot it prone so much gopher and rock shooting last summer that when I switch to my standard (RBRP) rifles prone they felt awkward.

I like the target accutrigger, you get bascially a two stage trigger. I found I like the two stage feel. I think the next trigger for a rem action I buy will be a proper two stage.
 
Obtunded said:
I think Ron and Pilgrim have great advice. OEM omposite stocks are better off being pillar bedded.

I'll toss out a point for consideration and take it for what it is worth...



The down-sides to this configuration is that it removes a big chunk of metal form the action, and (in the case fo the the Savage) reduces over-all stiffness of the action,.
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just a little food for though..

while i do agree with you that there is more metal cut out, it would only be a concern on a reapeating fire arm.

the LRPV series are single shot = no mag well cut from the action.. the amount of material removed would be no different then a mag fed standard bolt set up
 
They come in two single shot configurations, right bolt left port and right bolt left port (load) right port (eject). IE, one version has one port and the other has two.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
just a little food for though..

while i do agree with you that there is more metal cut out, it would only be a concern on a reapeating fire arm.
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Um.... No. Action stiffness is a trait VERY much desired in all target actions. The more metal taken away from an action, the less stiff it tends to be. There is a reason that ultra-precision shooting sports such as Benchrest, F-Class and Target-rifle/Palma shooters use single-shot systems. Hanging a 32" 10 pound barrel off a flimsy action requires bedding into the barrel or even a barrel block.

This may not be the standard needed or wanted by the OP, but I am here to tell you as an experienced long range competitive shooter, the more meat (in the right places) on an action, the better.
 
Obtunded said:
Um.... No. Action stiffness is a trait VERY much desired in all target actions. The more metal taken away from an action, the less stiff it tends to be. There is a reason that ultra-precision shooting sports such as Benchrest, F-Class and Target-rifle/Palma shooters use single-shot systems. Hanging a 32" 10 pound barrel off a flimsy action requires bedding into the barrel or even a barrel block.

This may not be the standard needed or wanted by the OP, but I am here to tell you as an experienced long range competitive shooter, the more meat (in the right places) on an action, the better.
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sorry wasnt trying to be offensive, my point was there is plenty of meat left in a savage action with a RBLP set up.. i see it as more of a problem on a RBLP mag fed action... thats alot of metal thats gone...


edit, looks like KDX posted a pic..



EDIT again, goin back and re-reading your first post it looks like we are talking about 2 different guns, im refering to the left port right bolt, and looks like you were talking about the duel port..

in whcih case i fully agree with you
 
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I have the 223 LRPV with the left load, right eject configuration. 1 in 9 twist rate.

Heavy rifle. Awsome trigger. Shot a bunch of factory match ammo. Shot it well. Loaded up 35 rounds (5 rounds per powder batch) and saw an awwsome sweet spot where the grouping was stellar.

If you are intertested, I can dig out that target and try and post a picture. May have the info on it.......

I own 4 Savages right now. Will only buy more if anything.
 
KDX, Monkey your on the right track but really I think you should both buy stevens rifles and go from there. Once I twist the 223 barrel on frankin stevens number 2 tonight I will post some pictures. Would be nice if I had some targets to back them up but that will have to wait, one has a few trophies hanging off of it already so its a proven winner.
 
Just buy it already!!
I truly love the way mine shoots. 3 shots covered by a penny at 200 yards. Inside 2 inches at 500 yards. 69gr Nosler CC over 23.4 grains of IMR 4064. You'll be spoiled with the 6 ounce trigger as well.
Happy shooting. Oh ya the proof in the pudding thing. My gun, My reloads, buddy shooting
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24 shots to see if it wandered as it got hot.
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The best video I've seen out there for bedding an HS precision stock (made by a fellow CGNr).

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Also, not like it matters but I've got the Savage 12 VLP DBM in 1:7 twist; very ###y allthough I can't make any accuracy comments cause I'm very new to the game...
 
Obtunded said:
Opposing bolt-port configuartions are meant for benchrest shooters that are shooting a maximum number of rounds down range, free-recoil (or damned close to it) and in a very short span of time in order to exploit/capitalize on ONE atmospheric condition before it changes. Its use in varmint hunting and long range application shooting is lost.

The down-sides to this configuration is that it removes a big chunk of metal form the action, and (in the case fo the the Savage) reduces over-all stiffness of the action, and it now takes two hands to cycle the action and load ammo. This is not a good thing for varmint hunting at all.
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The gun I have and I think the gun the OP is interested in is the right bolt and left port -- not dual port. Although Savage does make a dual port as well. From what I can see the left port only version does not suffer at all from lack of action stiffness. The port is reduced in size, and the action is a single shot with a solid bottom. I like the left port only option as you can see what you are feeding and also control the ejected case.
 
Indeed I had it in my head that this meant a dual port and it is the design about which I was ranting, but having said that, I (as in me, myslef, and I) think the configuration is pointless in a varmint gun.

The Savage target actions are not a thick-walled action. I think they are a terrific value for the money, and they certainly work for their intended purpose, but they are no Barnard.
 
so how many savages can the average guy own to add up to the price of one barnyard?

I would recomend you buy one and shoot it for a while, customize it as you see fit, its only fair if you want to tread on the market of selling prefit barrels for them hehehe
 
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