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Am I the only one who wants a model 70 chambered in 308win with a 1-10" rifling twist barrel?

Why do they put a 1-12 twist barrel on the 308's and 1-10" on all the other 30cal's? They shoot the same bullets and require stabilisation at lower velocities, is it a marketing gimmick to sell the more expensive 30-06 and 300magnums ammo.

Incidendtly kimber is doing the same thing???

I did call winchester and told them I wanted to buy their rifle... with a 1-10" twist. Will do so again periodically... If anybody shares my desire for such a rifle they could help encourage them to make this a reality.
 
That's very interesting. I have a M70 Featherweight in .308 and never knew it had a 1:12 twist until reading your post. I didn't pay much attention to the twist since I only intended on shooting 150gr bullets. The 1:10 could possibly make it a bit more versatile though.

Have you tried heavier bullets to see if they stabilize or not? I have no experience loading heavier bullets in a .308 with a 1:12 rate, only read that they may not stabilize.
 
1:12 isn't so bad. Heck the C3 sniper has that twist rate and shoots 175gr SMK just fine out to 600+ metres. For the ranges you'll be hunting at 1:12 will be fine with heavy bullets. I very much would like to get to know this rifle in 308 Win as well.
 
The Remington 5R Milspec also has a 1:11.25 twist and from all accounts it shoots 175's well.
 
I would lean more towards the idea that the heaviest most will shoot in a 308 is a 180 gr, whereas the magnums are more likely to see the 190-220 gr bullets used. Makes more sense than an expensive ammo conspiracy.
 
philthygeezer said:
Is .30-06 generally more expensive than .308? Doesn't seem like it.
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For brand name sporting ammo, no. But when scrounging range brass you will get alot more 308 than 30-06, also there is more cheap gov surplus type 308 ammo available. So it definitly can be cheaper especially if you want to shoot it lots.
 
220Swifty said:
I would lean more towards the idea that the heaviest most will shoot in a 308 is a 180 gr, whereas the magnums are more likely to see the 190-220 gr bullets used. Makes more sense than an expensive ammo conspiracy.
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Even then when shooting 180 grain bullets in the cold... I would much rather have the 1-10.
 
Riflechair said:
1:12 isn't so bad. Heck the C3 sniper has that twist rate and shoots 175gr SMK just fine out to 600+ metres. For the ranges you'll be hunting at 1:12 will be fine with heavy bullets. I very much would like to get to know this rifle in 308 Win as well.
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If it was only ever going to be for shooting 150gr bullets, it would be fine. But a gun like this should be able to reach out to 500yrds with handloads and I am partial to 180gr bullets and believe this to be a marginal rate of twist for those bullets especially in the cold.
 
I am starting to think I should just get a 30-06 as they do come with the 1-10 barrels and offer a little better performance as well... Just wont have as good of a supply of free brass to wear it out with.
 
When you can get 100 pieces of Lapua brass for $70 why would you shoot range brass? Good brass shoot with reasonable loads will last 5-7 loadings easy.
Buy the .308 if it will stabilize a 175gr SMK you will be fine to 500yds. Heck, 168's have been doing this seriously for years.
 
My remington in 1-12" twist shoots 175 SMKs to 700m without issue. Very accurate handload mind you, but excellent accuracy with the heavy 175.
 
rem338win said:
When you can get 100 pieces of Lapua brass for $70 why would you shoot range brass? Good brass shoot with reasonable loads will last 5-7 loadings easy.
Buy the .308 if it will stabilize a 175gr SMK you will be fine to 500yds. Heck, 168's have been doing this seriously for years.
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$70 dollars out of my shooting budjet for brass. Way too cheap for that and if I was not it would be 300wsm brass but seriously thats 200 30cal bullets from the classifieds or two pounds of powder, or...
 
Due to the insistance of most posters that 1-12 will indeed stabilize 168-175gr bullets I have done some research as I did not think that that was the case. But I learned something... maybe I will get it in 308 after all but now I'm considering the 30-06 as well and need to decide before chritmas.
 
I own this rifle in .270 and it is the best rifle I have ever owned. I love it in .270 because of the 22" barrel and it can hold 5 + 1 rounds. Super well built. Shoots sierra game kings the best. Hornady interlocks just about as good but don't even think about hornady sst's.
 
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