Hi forums. I am looking in what the interest would be in selling a .308 Modern Hunter brand new never fired. It has a 20 inch Med stainless steel barrel and a few other upgrades. I am looking for what I paid for it and you wouldn't have to wait a year to get one. Only serious inquiries and I am not looking for trades or shipping it. I am in southern Alberta and would be willing to meet as far away as Calgary.
Modern Hunter 308
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You should post this in the EE section. You also need a price to put it up for sale.
Also, given the rarity of these guns, you should consider shipping options as you're eliminating a lot of potential buyers by saying "no shipping".
Also, given the rarity of these guns, you should consider shipping options as you're eliminating a lot of potential buyers by saying "no shipping".
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onetwentyish
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I tend to agree with this, especially if you are not selling one of the 1st run of 100 custom serialed rifles.
I am in the process of building out a BCL 102 stripped reciever set, when I am done I will have a rifle that is no wheres near as proprietary, and as a result will be spec'ed out with equal to or far better parts in every area except the recievers. And to be fair, after I get the recievers re-worked and then anodized they will be damn close as well.
Interestingly enough I will come out around $5k invested in my BCL 102, where as the Hunter I had is like a $6300 new and had no where near the features that my 102 will.
The proprietary parts are what holds Rick's rifles back, and also ironically drive the price up. Ricks rifles are superb in fit and finish, and I really hope they offer 102 recievers and complete rifles as well!
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Weird how a poorly built pos like a BCL 102 could effect the price of a high end well built rifle like the Modern Hunter. Like saying the release of the new Hyundai sports car has really brought down the resale value of a Ferrari. Guess it just shows most gun owners care more about cost than quality.
OP, you will not get close to what you paid for your rifle. I bought a used MH with carbon fiber barrel and every other upgrade for about the same as a new base model build from them. Just like anything else, no one will pay full retail for something you've bought and fondled when they could have their own brand new for the same price. Saving time is nice but saving money is better.
Post your WTS ad in the equipment exchange and see how it goes. I suggest reading some of the site rules before posting much more or you'll end up getting in trouble with the mods. Want to sell ads are not allowed in this section.
If you want to see how much interest there is in a rifle like that, browse the EE and see how many are for sale and what the asking prices are. The ones that sell are the ones that are discounted heavily from new, the ones asking close to full retail get bumped up over and over.
Good luck
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onetwentyish
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I dont know about that. I sold both of my ATRS rifles when I penciled it out that for the $6k my MH was worth, I could build a comparable 102 for around $3000-$3500. Then to add insult to injury I am able to upgrade much more on the 102 than the MH.
The MH is not a tinker'ers rifle, its not meant to be worked on outside of ATRS. The 102 is a peoples rifle, cheap and upgradeable in all sorts of ways. It can be built from mild to wild, in the exact way the user desires.
Are you actually upgrading the ATRS rifle or are you just changing things because you like some other parts better? Do any of your so called upgrades actually make the rifle shoot better? More reliable? More accurate? Nope, you're changing things for cosmetic reasons or to save a couple grams of weight. Want a rifle you can change everything buy an AR-15, not every rifle in the collection needs to be able to have every part swapped out for the latest and greatest new trigger, forend or stock.
Sure you can build a 102 with a quality barrel and change more things and end up cheaper but you've still got an NEA/BCL receiver set which is nowhere near as nicely built or finished as an ATRS receiver, hopefully you get lucky and your 102 receivers are at least built right or don't wear out in 1000 rounds. Plus, by having it modified by ATRS you're getting rid of whatever warranty BCL may have had.
Being able to change more parts making it the peoples rifle? If you order the ATRS rifle the way you want it why do you need to keep changing things? They come with a fantastic trigger, whatever barrel you want. The stocks forends and grips can be changed if desired so what else do you need to change? The inability to easily install a different trigger is about the only downside of the ATRS which to me isn't an issue since the one it comes with is very nice, but I understand that some guys want/like a certain trigger in all their rifles.
To me buying NEA/BCL parts just to modify them to work correctly is supporting a company that builds a crappy product and telling them it's ok to build junk as long as the price is low enough.
Personally I'll spend more to have a quality product with a real warranty (that I'll likely never need to use). I know that as long as their doors are open for business that if I ever have an issue my rifle will be taken care of and I won't get it back and have to send it back with the same problem like some of our 102 owners have.
I was going to add a 102 to my collection but I'm just not willing to spend $2000 on a rifle that I've got better odds of winning at the casino than I do of getting a properly built BCL.
In the end these are toys so whatever someone wants to do and whatever route they take to get where they want to be is all good but I just refuse to support a company that seems to be so lazy that they can't be bothered to have a QC department capable of finding the simplest problems and pulling a rifle off the line and having it fixed before it goes out to the customer.
I think I'd compare the modern hunter to an Acura not a Ferrari so yes the bcl should affect its sales. Something like a kac SR 25 would be more fitting as the Ferrari. In that case, the bcl will not impact kac sr25 sales. The modern hunter is not in the same category.
onetwentyish
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I must see things differently. I am personally happy with my decision to sell the MH & MV, as time has went on it has became more apparent that they were quickly becoming devaluing assets, and I was lucky to recover my money when I did.
I didn't appreciate all the proprietary-ness of ricks design, it holds back the user from installing their prefered trigger, BCG, CH, some stocks, and some accessories such as a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.
Either way I know my BCL 102 reciever set wont have the fit and finish of a MH when I hand it to ATRS, but I believe they will be pretty close in terms of finish when they come back from ATRS, and every other part will be at the same level my $6k MH was or even higher quality with regards to the BCG, CH, trigger.
I will never discount ATRS craftsmanship and quality, but the design was not exactly what suits me best due to obsessive need to build the best rifle I can.
I didn't appreciate all the proprietary-ness of ricks design, it holds back the user from installing their prefered trigger, BCG, CH, some stocks, and some accessories such as a Law Tactical folding stock adapter.
Either way I know my BCL 102 reciever set wont have the fit and finish of a MH when I hand it to ATRS, but I believe they will be pretty close in terms of finish when they come back from ATRS, and every other part will be at the same level my $6k MH was or even higher quality with regards to the BCG, CH, trigger.
I will never discount ATRS craftsmanship and quality, but the design was not exactly what suits me best due to obsessive need to build the best rifle I can.
People bought the Modern Hunter for the novelty of the NR classification, now the same novelty can be had at a much lower price. It doesn't take a Prime Minister to figure out the Modern Hunter's market is much tougher now.
Would that make the BCL a Lada or a Yugo? Either way the quality difference and factory support are light years apart.
I'm not sure I'd put the KAC much above the ATRS product. They are beautiful rifles but there is nothing really groundbreaking about them. Just a very well built version of an AR-15 or AR-10 with some small tweaks to increase reliability and accuracy.
Not taking anything away from KAC, just thinking that with a few more years time to refine the product I think ATRS will have some of the best rifles on the market. Don't forget they've only been building these for a few years and they've already got one of the nicest rifles we can buy. I would bet that if they had gone straight to the econo version that everyone could afford and then moved to the blinged out version later they would have taken the market by storm. Just look at all the excuses people make for the BCL, $2000 for a rifle that many people have had reliability issues with and numerous reports of worn out parts within a couple hundred rounds, new posts almost every day with someone reporting a problem yet people keep buying them because they're cheap.
I think that is true for many but for me the decision to buy a MH came long after I already had other non restricted semi auto's, I spent time at the range with a few Modern Hunters owned by friends and other than them being very finicky with ammo and proper shooting fundamentals to make them shoot well I couldn't really find much to fault with the rifle. When the first batch came out I spent an afternoon with one and gave Rick my feedback, he made some changes (maybe coincidentally) to remedy some of the faults I found and he has stood behind his rifles with incredible customer support.
Being able to change every part on it to a Gucci brand of the day part or different triggers doesn't matter to me, I like the trigger it has and am fully capable of adjusting to it when I shoot a different rifle before it. I only want to do things that make it shoot more accurately so other than the JP captured buffer system and an adjustable gas block the only thing I spend money and time on is reloading for it. I'm pretty consistently 1 MOA or better now but am not satisfied and am going to try a new powder soon to see if I can do better.
I'd buy a BCL 102 but I want a rifle that works and that I know will continue to work for years to come and I've seen no evidence so far that BCL is capable of producing a rifle like that.
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I believe your analogy of a Yugo or Lada is spot on.
I have both a MH and MV and have not had any issue and for a semi auto find them very accurate, once you A) learn to shoot a semi correctly and B) find a good load.
I bought a BCL, had the guys at ATRS go through it to make it as good as it could be with putting $1200.00 into it on top of the original cost, and to say the 102 was underwhelming in comparison to my MH is the understatement of the year. I dumped it at a loss.
Customer support from ATRS has been stellar. The charge handle broke and I had a new one in 2 days.
I don't get why NEA/BCL is still in business given all of the garbage they seem to keep making. I was optomistic that when NEA became BCL that things would improve. They had the chance to step away from the terrible reputation they had earned and basically start from new, but chose to once again produce poor at best quality guns. At least an SKS is reliable out of the box, not something a 102 can lay claim to in my experience.
Comparing some ####ty 102 build by BCL to a custom built AR10 from a stripped receiver set makes no sense. If you bought a complete rifle thats your fault 
and you have non one to blame but yourself.
I built my 102 for half the price of a MH and I have no proprietary parts. And im patiently waiting on the ATRS MVs stripped receiver sets to build a kick A$$ NR AR15
People like myself didnt jump on the MV/MH bandwagon because owning guns you cant work on is nonsense. Specially AR platforms. And im pretty sure ATRS also wanted to provide non proprietary NR AR because they have the MVs now waiting for the NR classification.
as for Maccabee they will cater to the same market as the 180c, Guys that just want cheap guns and dont really care about owning high end firearms. Heck Ive already seen a few comments on the price of the MVs sets and how the are to expensive...lol..
and SKS's suck. Unless you are a bad ass mall ninja with your NCstar garbage bolted on...lol...
and you have non one to blame but yourself. I built my 102 for half the price of a MH and I have no proprietary parts. And im patiently waiting on the ATRS MVs stripped receiver sets to build a kick A$$ NR AR15
People like myself didnt jump on the MV/MH bandwagon because owning guns you cant work on is nonsense. Specially AR platforms. And im pretty sure ATRS also wanted to provide non proprietary NR AR because they have the MVs now waiting for the NR classification.
as for Maccabee they will cater to the same market as the 180c, Guys that just want cheap guns and dont really care about owning high end firearms. Heck Ive already seen a few comments on the price of the MVs sets and how the are to expensive...lol..
and SKS's suck. Unless you are a bad ass mall ninja with your NCstar garbage bolted on...lol...
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Considering the Maccabee receiver set cost's almost 3/4 what a full 180c does.....I think you are a bit off. The Maccabee won't be a "cheap gun". most guys will have at least 2k into one and will have as good of performance as the MH or MH with the ability to change almost everything easier, and more calibers available.
I have a Gen 1 ( built within the first 50 /100 Custom serial # ) Modern Hunter, with zero complaints... but price tag of $ 4700.00
Scope / Mount / Bipod....takes it to $ 6200.00 +
Waiting ( on the List ) for ATRS, MV-S , and YES it will be a less pricey build with higher quality parts... but the Modern Hunter is still ONE of my Ferrari's in my Gun collection, shoots like a dream... accurate and reliable and eats premium ammo.
Scope / Mount / Bipod....takes it to $ 6200.00 +
Waiting ( on the List ) for ATRS, MV-S , and YES it will be a less pricey build with higher quality parts... but the Modern Hunter is still ONE of my Ferrari's in my Gun collection, shoots like a dream... accurate and reliable and eats premium ammo.
onetwentyish
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This. However this will also be determined by when and how the lab classifies the ATRS MS. (Note for those who have not seen the rifle in person, the word varmint no longer appears on the lower, it has been replaced by "sporter")
What ,exactly are ATRS doing to your Set?
Are they just refinishing the coating? Or are they doing modifications to the set?
Can you even modify the set ?
And no doubt, Rick was first out the gait, but cheap horses caught up and passed him.
He needs to release a new U/P set,
