Modern Hunter 308

[onetwentyish]

What ,exactly are ATRS doing to your Set?
Are they just refinishing the coating? Or are they doing modifications to the set?

Can you even modify the set ?

And no doubt, Rick was first out the gait, but cheap horses caught up and passed him.
He needs to release a new U/P set,

I am first having a machinist buddy remove the cat bird, then getting him to do a better job of the flared magwell. BCL made it "flared" on the out side, but didn't flare much on the inside which just resaults in extra material left behind.

Then its going to ATRS to be prepped (tumbled to remove machine marks and dull the sharp edges) and anodized with one of their batches.

And I agree, rick should get on board and make a 102 set instead of letting us bring in BCL's mess'.

 

[no-one special]

I am first having a machinist buddy remove the cat bird, then getting him to do a better job of the flared magwell. BCL made it "flared" on the out side, but didn't flare much on the inside which just resaults in extra material left behind.

Then its going to ATRS to be prepped (tumbled to remove machine marks and dull the sharp edges) and anodized with one of their batches.

And I agree, rick should get on board and make a 102 set instead of letting us bring in BCL's mess'.

Why on earth would he now decide to build garbage?
Sad he has to fix it even. I am still at a loss as to why people still keep the crap makers in business.

 

[cr5]

Why on earth would he now decide to build garbage?
I am still at a loss as to why people still keep the crap makers in business.

I hope Rick stays out of the entry level junk, it does sell but I don't look to ATRS for economy builds. My Modern Hunter in 6.5CM was a $6000 build (I didn't pay that much) and it is an amazing rifle with perfect machining and it has been 100% reliable with my handloads and is shooting 1 moa pretty consistently now (five round groups with no discounted flyers). I'm still going to continue load development with it though because I know that it can do better than what I'm getting currently.

Because it's cheap, like buying shat off eBay. You know the quality won't be there and that it won't last but you just hope it works when you get it. Everyone wants a non restricted semi auto but few can afford a quality NR semi so when this came out their dream rifle was suddenly within reach. Now all you hear is guys making excuses for them and/or buying them expecting to have to change out nearly everything. I don't understand why anyone would pay $2000 for a rifle with such a high failure rate. Guys will post that theirs has run flawlessly and that it shoots 1 moa but they've usually only got 100 rounds through it and fluked off one nice three shot group.
I love how if I point out all the problems BCL has had with the 102 I get jumped on as a hater instead of people opening their eyes and realizing the 102 is a poorly built rifle. The best way to buy a 102 is to buy a stripped receiver set and hope that all your quality parts will fit.
It had so much potential but once again NEA/BCL has shown that nothing has changed in how they use the customer as the QC department. Some of the pictures I've seen of parts from a brand new 102 are truly terrible. There is no way parts that poorly machined should have ever made it to the consumer.
In the other thread one guy said that since it's only $2000 you can't expect it to be perfect. Sorry, if I buy a new rifle I don't care what the price is, I expect it to be built as it has been advertised not built with a close enough is good enough attitude because it's the lowest price option on the market right now. These should be priced about the same as the WK180-C, then I could accept a few little imperfections.

 

[onetwentyish]

Why on earth would he now decide to build garbage?
Sad he has to fix it even. I am still at a loss as to why people still keep the crap makers in business.

Lol. If the 102 design is garbage, than the MH design is that 10 fold due to its proprietary nature.

Rick can turn away 102's, he isn't forced to work on them, but money is money.

 

[cr5]

Lol. If the 102 design is garbage, than the MH design is that 10 fold due to its proprietary nature.

Rick can turn away 102's, he isn't forced to work on them, but money is money.

The 102 design isn't garbage, the manufacturer is making garbage.
There really aren't that many proprietary parts in the MH, which you should know as a previous owner. Receivers, bolt carrier, and...? Mostly stuff you don't need to change out unless you're really anal about not having a DPMS carrier. Sure not every stock is compatible and you can't really change the trigger but those are very minor issues for most people. Since the MH is not an AR-10 you have to expect some incompatibility with AR-10 parts. The MH may not be the right fit for everyone but it's hard to find true faults with it.

I hope he does turn them away, he has enough projects on the go and needs to concentrate on getting rifle orders filled and getting the MV-s receivers made and on the market.

I look forward to seeing your 102 build, I hope it works out for you and you end up with the rifle you hope it will be. I think you made a mistake selling the ATRS rifles but that's just my opinion.

 

[frabill]

The one thing i hated about my MH was GEN2 PMAGS ONLY aside form xcr mags. Stupid. Any other pmag wouldn't work.

 

[cr5]

The one thing i hated about my MH was GEN2 PMAGS ONLY aside form xcr mags. Stupid. Any other pmag wouldn't work.

I have gathered up 7 gen 2 pamgs and an XCR pistol mag so even though it is inconvenient it's not a show stopper. You can also modify gen 3 pmags to work. One of the guys on here got them working with a little modification to the feed lips I believe.

 

[no-one special]

Lol. If the 102 design is garbage, than the MH design is that 10 fold due to its proprietary nature.

Rick can turn away 102's, he isn't forced to work on them, but money is money.

What a load of crap! The MH is a very innovative design rather than a full on copy of an existing design. Not much if any risk to the manufacturer in simply making a poorly executed copy of an old design that already has NR status. Rick took a huge risk in being the FIRST Canadian designed and manufactured semi auto to achieve NR status in Canadian history. He pretty much broke the new ground for the whole Canadian made NR semi auto that wasn't either made offshore or mil surp in Canada. Everyone else seems to me to be late to the show.

I was not saying the 102 design was garbage as it is still some of Stoners best work, just that the manufacturing of this replica is at very best poorly executed. Which in my opion IS CRAP!
There is no reason for the 102s to have to be completely reworked to make them a decent rifle apart from the abismal quality of the manufacturer.

I am certain he and his crew can "fix" all of the deficiencies on your 102, but again it is sad that he has to. For what they cost they should not be covered in tooling marks, they should be anodized and they should be made within spec's and clearly they are not.

The quality is FAR better on the Modern series rifles than anything NEA/BCL or whatever they may call themselves next week is.

 

[no-one special]

The one thing i hated about my MH was GEN2 PMAGS ONLY aside form xcr mags. Stupid. Any other pmag wouldn't work.

Gen 3 Pmags can be slightly modified and they work perfectly. Hard to be upset at ATRS as their design predates Gen 3 Pmags by 3 years. It would be pretty hard for them to anticipate every revision that Magpul makes, and they make them quite frequently, henc e GEN 3 in just the few years that Magpul has been around.

 

[rickspeed]

The one thing i hated about my MH was GEN2 PMAGS ONLY aside form xcr mags. Stupid. Any other pmag wouldn't work.

Since my Modern Hunter is a Gen 1, / custom serial #'s... my rifle was shipped without a Gen 2 Pmag. Rifle only . And Magpul had just released the Gen 3's... I was lucky enough to find 6x
Gen 2's
XCR / 10 , mags did not work as well as I prayed for.. FTF / FTE happend, but not alot.
Gen 2's, 100%
My rifle easliy shoots 1 MOA. and for that, is worth the price of admission.

Now one of the obvious difference betwen the Gen 2 / Gen 3's is the angle of the followers . They differ in angle not by much .but enough where it affects the feed for sure ... I have toyed with idea of scaning the Gen 2 follower and retro fit into a Gen 3.
My company has very high quality scanners and the digital printers ... I just don't have the time or energy.. but if some could help out to do the scanning/ design ... send me the STL file.. PM and lets print a bunch to try fix this issue.
Just saying..
I would be happy enough to eat this at my cost just so more people can enjoy shooting, be able to use Gen 3 Pmags


Cheers

 

[frabill]

I had 8 gen 2 pmags and 4 xcr mags. I used to actively search the EE buying any I could.

I since sold them and my MH which was a gen1 with custom serial. The lack of parts and weight is what did it.in for me. At least the bcl can be customized more.

 

[Bile]

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