Modern Hunter and Gen 3 Pmags UPDATE APRIL 7 2015

I don't think it's that big a deal. If I were an owner of a MH as long as XCR 10rd. pistol mag.'s worked I'd be a happy camper, er' shooter...

So will XCR pistol mag,'s work with future MH rifles?

Cheers D
 
polskiogorki said:
Any details as to which way he ls leaning on this matter?
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To me it seems silly to re-engineer a rifle to fit ONE mag thereby precluding the use of all others. Magpul continually changes their stuff.
With there being several options that DO fit and function just fine and more coming I see no reason to put folks in a position where only 1 mag will work.
We have some mags enroute from Israel (NOT CAA) that should land here in the next few days and we have decided to make mags for it ourselves, but this will take some time to get molds made. For now ASC mags made for the Robinson arms rifles along with the C Products mags made for DPMS and all the other AR 10 rifles DO work just fine. Once we know that the Israeli mags function fully we will advise, and once our own mags are in production again we will be advising.
Why Magpul changed the location of their latch pocket, feed lips height and angles and follower angle eludes me as does what exactly they DO fit?
 
D-Boy said:
I think you see the problem the wrong side.
I think the MH must be able to take the mag from the mag industry leader.
Armalite made this mistake 10 years ago and has change the AR10 now takes PMAG.

So you confirm that MH third batch will not take PMAG.
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Rick must have the patience of Job. I would have already refunded your deposit and told you to go away.

Chasing mag manufacturing specs is backwards. Mag manufacturers should be ensuring their products fit the rifles.

If I were Rick, with all whining going on about the Pmag, and I was making my own mags, instead of changing the rifle to fit the gen 3 Pmag, I would alter the rifle to take only mags of my own manufacture. That way I can ensure function and maximize profit for me.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
To me it seems silly to re-engineer a rifle to fit ONE mag thereby precluding the use of all others. Magpul continually changes their stuff.
With there being several options that DO fit and function just fine and more coming I see no reason to put folks in a position where only 1 mag will work.
We have some mags enroute from Israel (NOT CAA) that should land here in the next few days and we have decided to make mags for it ourselves, but this will take some time to get molds made. For now ASC mags made for the Robinson arms rifles along with the C Products mags made for DPMS and all the other AR 10 rifles DO work just fine. Once we know that the Israeli mags function fully we will advise, and once our own mags are in production again we will be advising.
Why Magpul changed the location of their latch pocket, feed lips height and angles and follower angle eludes me as does what exactly they DO fit?
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I think this is a good choice. While it does suck that the industry leader does not fit, it would suck more to have multiple MHR models chasing magpul every time they make a new generation. My vote for your mags is 10 rd pinned to 5, 20 rd is too big for my taste!
 
I agree. Magpul has their own corporate decisions to make to supply military and massive USA interests.
The USA market is ...well the USA market. It is so vastly different than ours.
MH will never be in the USA., and ATRS needs to look after their own business interests for the limited Canadian market size.
I have my XCR mags as well as ASC mags piled up. What Magpul does is of little interest to me. There are no lack of choices for mags.
Besides, once ATRS makes their own mags, it opens the door for their custom sized mags for the future calibers that Magpul would not have in any event.
All good.
 
sooo.. what is your point? The MH is not an AR10 nor is it required to follow any SR25/M110 pattern.

It is a ATRS Modern Hunter. There are good mags that work presently available. And the future is then.....not now.
 
farshot said:
sooo.. what is your point? The MH is not an AR10 nor is it required to follow any SR25/M110 pattern.

It is a ATRS Modern Hunter. There are good mags that work presently available. And the future is then.....not now.
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I would say a big percentage of the people willing to pony up 4k+ for these new MH's ( myself included) are buying one so they can have a non restricted ar10... aside from the obvious differences.
But you are correct, they are not required to follow any rules or guidelines, however, with how much attention and popularity these rifles will draw to themselves not being able to accept the most popular, inexpensive and easiest to obtain 308 mag on the market will be a big negative strike against it.
 
This thread is brutal, the MH will prevail in the end, if at the end of the day, if my fellow CGN'ers needed some Gen 2 mags, I have 6 I would trade for Gen 3's as my rifle is G2G with them. Relax and enjoy the MH "Koolaid" it doesn't come around that often. Cheers Rick
 
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polskiogorki said:
I would say a big percentage of the people willing to pony up 4k+ for these new MH's ( myself included) are buying one so they can have a non restricted ar10... aside from the obvious differences.
But you are correct, they are not required to follow any rules or guidelines, however, with how much attention and popularity these rifles will draw to themselves not being able to accept the most popular, inexpensive and easiest to obtain 308 mag on the market will be a big negative strike against it.
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lol...I would say that it's an almost insignificant detail...there are plenty of alternatives out there. You've been drinking too much P-Mag cool-aid
 
I dont see it that way. It appears that gen 3 P mags have aligned themselves for a certain rifle(s) to the detriment of others (not just MH). That is life....
We dont have non-restricted AR's so it is what it is, and the comparisons are meaningless.
I am not going to burst a blood vessel because I cant use Magpul products. There are plenty of others to use.
Other rifles such as the RFB has its own issues as well re mags and people get by.
If Robinson Arms changes and ASC and all the others as well...that would be a different story. But each rifle maker has their own decisions to make.

The ATRS product is not a military product requiring millions of mags for military use. It is a semi custom product for certain people. The market is very small. The mag requirement is correspondingly smaller as well, as are spares etc.

Just as I dont care to use Norinco ammo in my MH, I dont care if a mag is not the cheapest one available. As long as good mags are available, not stupid pricey, and work... I am good.

ATRS will provide their own in due course and maybe other older rifles (not MH) that need gen 2 PMags will start to use ATRS mags.
 
polskiogorki said:
I would say a big percentage of the people willing to pony up 4k+ for these new MH's ( myself included) are buying one so they can have a non restricted ar10... aside from the obvious differences.
But you are correct, they are not required to follow any rules or guidelines, however, with how much attention and popularity these rifles will draw to themselves not being able to accept the most popular, inexpensive and easiest to obtain 308 mag on the market will be a big negative strike against it.
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So do we have to constantly keep making revisions to keep up with all of the Magpul koolaid?
Think about it, they are now running generation 3 mags, how many more generations are they going to go through? We ran literally thousands of rounds through Gen 2 mags without a hiccup, so how are the Gen 3s any improvement apart from that now they do not fit some rifles including ours? What happens when Magpul dumps the Gen 3s for Gen 4s and they don't fit?
We CAN revise our rifle in the future production runs to fit the Gen 3 mags but then MANY more mags will not work. I would prefer to keep the options as open as possible. Remember a few years ago when Pmags were unobtainium? Then what?
According to Magpul their Gen 3 mags fit all platforms. Well fellas I am here to tell you they are WRONG! They do not work in several other makers AR10 platforms and do not work in the XCR-M that I just tried them in.
It would have been nice IF the Pmags had worked, and they would have IF Magpul had not seen fit to change their mags.

With all the uproar about Pmags I am thinking we should have gone with a proprietary mag like Swiss Arms, or Sako has from the beginning and not had to deal with this.
 
Your real customer appreciates your decision to not go proprietary (last time I checked my TRG22 mags are over $250 each).
alberta tactical rifle said:
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With all the uproar about Pmags I am thinking we should have gone with a proprietary mag like Swiss Arms, or Sako has from the beginning and not had to deal with this.
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alberta tactical rifle said:
So do we have to constantly keep making revisions to keep up with all of the Magpul koolaid?
Think about it, they are now running generation 3 mags, how many more generations are they going to go through? We ran literally thousands of rounds through Gen 2 mags without a hiccup, so how are the Gen 3s any improvement apart from that now they do not fit some rifles including ours? What happens when Magpul dumps the Gen 3s for Gen 4s and they don't fit?
We CAN revise our rifle in the future production runs to fit the Gen 3 mags but then MANY more mags will not work. I would prefer to keep the options as open as possible. Remember a few years ago when Pmags were unobtainium? Then what?
According to Magpul their Gen 3 mags fit all platforms. Well fellas I am here to tell you they are WRONG! They do not work in several other makers AR10 platforms and do not work in the XCR-M that I just tried them in.
It would have been nice IF the Pmags had worked, and they would have IF Magpul had not seen fit to change their mags.

With all the uproar about Pmags I am thinking we should have gone with a proprietary mag like Swiss Arms, or Sako has from the beginning and not had to deal with this.
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Lol, im not upset about it, the gen 3 mags i bought can go on ee, i was just excited about the 5/25 window mags, i think they are sharp looking.The best thing someone can do is make a list of all compatible mags, possibly in order if quality and where to get them. I don't care who makes the mags i buy for my MH as long as they are quality and are available.
 
This is such a minor hiccup is not even worth talking about. Dissapointing? Sure, but if atrs makes their own mags for this, I'll be even happier than using magpul. I'd much rather buy Canadian made products. I think this whole thread should disappear and get rid of the negativity..
And for those who " need" magpul mags, just ask around, they are out there!
 
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Ill get 5 ATRS MH mags for 50 dollars each or more i dont even care really ive just spent 6k on a rifle all i want is some mags.

Im really thankfull Rick and the te am got us this awesome rifle to play with. I could not care less about Pmags
 
Said it before and I'm saying it again, if XCR 10Rd. mag.'s work the MH is golden.

Any old pre Gen #3Pmag magazine can be used for the occasional hunting trip, but ten rounders are where it's at and if ATRS builds the MH for Gen #3 Pmag.'s the XCR ten rounders wouldn't even work.

If ATRS made #3Rd., #5Rd. and #10Rd. mag.'s possible in the future great, but w/o a MH pistol #10Rd. mags ain't gonna happen (and a MH pistol ain't gonna happen as stated by ATRS previously) so enjoy the XCR #10Rd. mag.'s and give ATRS a break.

Cheers D
 
I am fine with the Modern Hunter as it now. I don't mind not being able to use gen 3 pmags in it. Pmags don't meet NATO standards so a lot of guns won't take them. It would be nice to use them, but as long as any old mag will work I wouldn't change the layout of the gun to take one type of magazine. Metal magazines work just fine. Anyways when Magpul comes out with gen 4 pmags they probably will change a whole bunch again! Just leave the design alone and use the magazines that work with it. Their is no shortage of metal magazines.
 
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