Modern Hunter jamming issue
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Evan with the flyer it well within the kill zone on a deer nice shoting
ATRS Shaun
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Absolutely, feel free to bring it on by and we can take a look at them. Even if they aren't a problem, I'd rather we took a minute to make sure. Small problems can become big problems if they are ignored. Bring the mag and maybe a box of the ammo you are using so we can take a look at it.
Cheers,
Shaun
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Nice group. Handloads or Factory ?
That was 168gr Amax with Varget handloads but now using 4895 with same accuracy but rifle functions better and easier on brass.
The reality is this happens. I agree It could be ammo, primers or a gun that just needs to be broken in. I'd problem solve from that point as well as checking out mag/ammo compatibility. This was never designed to be a battle rifle as ATR has stated from the beginning.
When you go to the AR10 and it's setup as a precision rifle, you get a lot more issues than with something like a Norinco barn spec battle rifle type of firearm. I'm actually surprised at some of the crap ammo people are shooting out of these. These types of firearms are usually designed and tested for match ammo. If you want a super reliable lead hose then you have to do a lot more to it. Over gassing is the first trick most companies use, which doesn't help with accuracy or felt recoil. Companies such as LMT/KAC have gone to dual ejectors with their shorter carbine versions to help avoid problems. As has the new DPMS G2.
There are a number of things that I am critical of. But I am fair about it. This issue isn't unique to the MH rifles for the reasons mentioned above. If the OP were to soak it in G96, add good gun oil to the high wear parts and shoot recommended ammo, I doubt these problems would persist.
That being said, if that doesn't fix the problem then the OP may just have been unlucky. If we start seeing a lot of these complaints then it's a manufacturing issue. Right now it appears to either be a break in issue, ammo issue, or a one off. A one off happens to every company.
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I can totally understand what you're saying about the ammo. But I can SEE where it's jamming. It's catching just below the chamfer that's designed to bring the round from the magazine and into the chamber. So either the chamfer is too small or the magazine isn't seating properly. Either way I don't think it's the fault of the round.
You aren't the only one, I know of another MH, one of the first with a custom serial number that has been having issues with the feed ramps, I don't believe it was causing failure to feed issues. They are certainly causing accuracy issues however.
Oh that and the crappy bolt catch parts that made it past the QC guys and caused some gouging and other damage to the upper receiver.....
That and I have now seen 1 group that demonstrates how these guns should shoot for 4K. Seen lots of bad groups and lots of excuses so far.....
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I'm sure you won't accept my groups from my own personal rifle, but your comment saying there are multiple bad groups, and only one good group is quite different from everything that I've seen and heard. My handloads are still in development, currently I'm trying to balance a load out with a solid reliable crimp. Things are looking pretty promising though. The factory ammo was shot from a clean barrel requiring fouling on a 5 target sheet, top right(cut off from scanner), top left (also cut off from scanner), then center, then bottom left then bottom right, then took it out to 200m.
So, handloads:
168gr Amax
165gr SST
Factory Ammo:
Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr SMK
@100 meters
@200 meters
So, handloads:
168gr Amax
165gr SST
Factory Ammo:
Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr SMK
@100 meters
@200 meters
Have you tried other mags? XCR m ? If it's not the mag then yup it has to go in for a check up. I hope it's just a bunk mag or g3 that got sold as G2 etc. Never fun having issues with a new gun.
Please let us know what the issue ends up being confirmed as.
I'm sure you won't accept my groups from my own personal rifle, but your comment saying there are multiple bad groups, and only one good group is quite different from everything that I've seen and heard. My handloads are still in development, currently I'm trying to balance a load out with a solid reliable crimp. Things are looking pretty promising though. The factory ammo was shot from a clean barrel requiring fouling on a 5 target sheet, top right(cut off from scanner), top left (also cut off from scanner), then center, then bottom left then bottom right, then took it out to 200m.
So, handloads:
168gr Amax
165gr SST
Factory Ammo:
Federal Gold Medal Match 168gr SMK
@100 meters
@200 meters
Great shooting, I'm not trying to say the rifles are pieces of crap, they are far from it. I just expect them to all shoot like that. There are lots of range reports on this forum, most of them are pretty dismal IMO for a 4-5K rifle. Maybe most people that have bought them aren't precision shooters?
The more good range reports I see, the more likely I am to buy one. But from what I have seen, a very well tuned (and lucky) norinco M14 will almost keep up with them. For under 1000$
For the MH shooters, keep posting good groups, and maybe some 5x5 targets.
I had issues with feeding on my first outing with mine. To the point where the cartridge had deep enough gouge marks at the neck... I can post pics if it makes a difference
However what I realized at the range was the feeding issue was with the IMI mag that came with it. My two XCR pistol mags and gen 2 pmags worked flawlessly.
However what I realized at the range was the feeding issue was with the IMI mag that came with it. My two XCR pistol mags and gen 2 pmags worked flawlessly.
Give atrs a chance... that's what a warrenty is for. I'm willing to bet they will do what it takes to make us happy. For such a big undertaking I bet they will. If they have unhappy customers it could be detrimental to their business and future buyers that are on the fence about putting out so much money for their product.
I'm curious as to why such "generous" lubrication is necessary on this rifle as compared to other semo-autos. I tried to treat mine like an AR, and it bit me in the ass. The amount of lubrication mine received from ATRS themselves had me in awe. Shaun's choice of the word sloppy is fitting, they're the manufacturers and they wanted this thing drenched. It's not an AR, don't feed it surplus, don't oil it like one either.
That's correct and has been discussed before. Tighter tolerances for accuracy, which means extra lube is required until break-in is complete. This is a better trade-off than using sloppy fitting parts for the sake of out-of-the-box feeding reliability.
