modern rifle in 7.62x54r

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I wish there was a cool rifle 7.62x54r with a decent mag capacity (for the states)
I would love to own a ar style or vz 58 style rifle in that round

Anybody know of any plans for one.
Always thought of butchering a svt 40 but
I dont think I ever will

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I don't know about modern modern but the dragunov shoots it. Also the Finnish had a sniper type rifle the tak 85 they used that shot the 7.62x54r , I doubt many civilians would be able to get their hands on it though.
 
I meant a semi auto. We need something turkish made or whoever made.
A black rifle in 7.62x54r

Im not down with supporting turkey but an example
 
Dragunov would be ideal. But there are prohibited as ####.
I would an svd, I think an xcr in 7.62x54r would be cool; I mean tge xcr m would
Have to be conpletely redesigned. But something like that would be
Amazing to me
 
My buddy in the states shoots these:

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Also this in 6.5 Grendel

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Semi-auto for a rimmed cartridge is tough to get right - at least, harder than it is for modern cartridges. Feed problems and rimlock make bolt and magazine design more challenging.

I have trouble seeing anyone investing the extra time and money it would take to produce what would essentially be a niche product for the North American market.

I would love to see it happen, but I doubt it would.
 
Hmmm... a modern rifle with a rimmed cartridge. Not sure if I'd want one. It is a powerful round, yes. But feeding issues with that rimmed cartridge would probably be its downfall. IMHO.
 
All this talk of feeding problems with the 54r cartridge... Doesn't the Chinese still make modern production 7.62X54r machine gun ammo? I bought two crates of it. 2011 production. I have to believe that somewhere there is a modern machine gun that's running on these rounds without too much problems.
 
MuthaFunk said:
All this talk of feeding problems with the 54r cartridge... Doesn't the Chinese still make modern production 7.62X54r machine gun ammo? I bought two crates of it. 2011 production. I have to believe that somewhere there is a modern machine gun that's running on these rounds without too much problems.
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Rimlock is not an issue when your feeding your ammo into a belt fed open bolt machine gun...
 
6MT said:
Hmmm... a modern rifle with a rimmed cartridge. Not sure if I'd want one. It is a powerful round, yes. But feeding issues with that rimmed cartridge would probably be its downfall. IMHO.
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Ahh rimmed cartridges wouldnt be that bad. If the svt worked, then im sure a modern
Rifle wouldnt be an issue. Im mean we came along way since
the 40s.

I know it will happen happen but id love to own something like it
 
Why not just get a Finnish m39?
Heavy barrel
Accurate
And goes up in value not like the new plastic crap.
 
Issues are it is more difficult to make a rimmed semi auto then a rimless semi auto. Not saying its impossible, but virtually no one has done so in at least 50 years. You would basically need a new design from scratch as it would be very difficult to modify a existing 'modern' design.

Its not simply a matter of changing a barrel out, you would require a brand new bolt face (likely a new bolt due to how much larger the bolt face would have to be). A brand new magazine design and the issues that come with that (would have to be heavily tapered, look at a Bren magazine to get a idea). You would also require a adjustable gas system as there is so much variance in 7.62x54r. And on top of that it would have to be reliable to be any interest at all (which is much more difficult than you think).

In regards to the 7.62x54r modern MGs, look at how they are fed, by belts. The rim isn't a issue as it is always held in a separate position from each over round. Magazine fed is much more difficult, with solutions being like the Bren, or like the DP-28.

Too much of a niche market to be worth while for most people. Its one thing to convert a bolt face and rebarrel a rifle to take 7.62x39, its another all together to take a rifle platform and try to adapt it to a rimmed round.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Issues are it is more difficult to make a rimmed semi auto then a rimless semi auto. Not saying its impossible, but virtually no one has done so in at least 50 years. You would basically need a new design from scratch as it would be very difficult to modify a existing 'modern' design.

Its not simply a matter of changing a barrel out, you would require a brand new bolt face (likely a new bolt due to how much larger the bolt face would have to be). A brand new magazine design and the issues that come with that (would have to be heavily tapered, look at a Bren magazine to get a idea). You would also require a adjustable gas system as there is so much variance in 7.62x54r. And on top of that it would have to be reliable to be any interest at all (which is much more difficult than you think).

In regards to the 7.62x54r modern MGs, look at how they are fed, by belts. The rim isn't a issue as it is always held in a separate position from each over round. Magazine fed is much more difficult, with solutions being like the Bren, or like the DP-28.

Too much of a niche market to be worth while for most people. Its one thing to convert a bolt face and rebarrel a rifle to take 7.62x39, its another all together to take a rifle platform and try to adapt it to a rimmed round.
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I know it wouldnt happen. But one can dream.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Issues are it is more difficult to make a rimmed semi auto then a rimless semi auto. Not saying its impossible, but virtually no one has done so in at least 50 years. You would basically need a new design from scratch as it would be very difficult to modify a existing 'modern' design.

Its not simply a matter of changing a barrel out, you would require a brand new bolt face (likely a new bolt due to how much larger the bolt face would have to be). A brand new magazine design and the issues that come with that (would have to be heavily tapered, look at a Bren magazine to get a idea). You would also require a adjustable gas system as there is so much variance in 7.62x54r. And on top of that it would have to be reliable to be any interest at all (which is much more difficult than you think).

In regards to the 7.62x54r modern MGs, look at how they are fed, by belts. The rim isn't a issue as it is always held in a separate position from each over round. Magazine fed is much more difficult, with solutions being like the Bren, or like the DP-28.

Too much of a niche market to be worth while for most people. Its one thing to convert a bolt face and rebarrel a rifle to take 7.62x39, its another all together to take a rifle platform and try to adapt it to a rimmed round.
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I shouldnt say I wouldnt happen, but it would not be worth while
For a company to produce anything. a project for an individual would be ideal.
I have seen guys convert there vepr's for x54r.

An ar 10 style one would be tough. You would need to new lower right off the bat.
I would get a piston system with adjustable gas block. New springs All around. I would have to modify a bolt.
I already know I could get an ar barrel made for one.but the huge problem would be a lower and mags.
I dont even know if you could mod a ar-10 bolt for x54r

I think ill do an svt project this year.
 
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