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AMET said:
Which is why when i heard the MS was coming along i chucked my MV, also i chucked my BCL102 when i heard about the Stag10.

I personally love ATRS and what they are doing, i'm sure if they had a market in the US they would be cheaper.
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It would still cost the same to manufacture the product. They have stated many times that they will not outsource due to uncontrolable QC and switching to a forged upper and lower would actually increase the cost due to the forging molds cost having to be passed on to the consumer.

There is also a reason the cant export to the USA. Some defense article law in the us prohibiting the importation of firearms for some reason.

That along with how many other manufacturers of the same style of rifle at a significantly lower cost would mean poor sales in the us as they dont have the assinign laws regarding firearms and classifications as canada does.
 
no-one special said:
There are many in the Canadian firearms community that refuse to face the reality that this is Canada NOT the USA. Most also fail to take into account the exchange rate and costs of getting gun stuff out of the USA. Add that to their complete failure to understand that there are many reasons products made in canada cost more than similar products do in the USA and you have whiners with no clue. Wages, taxes, cost to operate a business and the list goes on.
There are a few twits that have commented on facebook that all of the Canadian made NRs are grossly overpriced, the unfortunate thing there is that they have absolutely no clue but do in all likelyhood own some cheap crap guns, which truly makes them dangerous. Check the ATRS facebook page.

What I find funny is that they same morons have no problem paying $300.00 for an SKS that when new, was made for under $20.00, by communist countries where the workers did not really get paid fairly for their work, so the root cost was strictly the materials. Makes me wonder what their song would be if Canada worked under the same premise as 1950s USSR did?
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The problem is comparing forged receivers to billet milled low-production receivers in terms of price.

That's like comparing grocery store grapes to fine wine. Both are technically the same thing, but one is produced by the millions by a lot of people, the other is produced by the handful, by a select few.

Forging dies and setting up a specific forging operation costs a metric #### ton of money in the beginning, but when you roll out a ton of pretty much the same product for over 50 years, cost per unit eventually amounts to very little.

However the US receiver prices are very political climate dependent. Trump being elected slowed the gun-buying frenzy like never before, manufacturers today are selling product at cost or at a loss because they have no choice, it's better for them to sell for barely any profit than not sell anything at all, product accumulating dust on shelves and not manufacturing product is bad for any business.

ATRS's cost on raw 7075-T651 for one lower receiver is probably more than ten times the cost of a dozen raw forged lowers direct from Cerro to large american OEM manufacturers (CMT, MEGA, AERO, etc) who buy raw forgings by the truckload.


Then count the machining time, but honestly you almost can't... big US OEM's churn out lowers at an amazingly high speed/rate.
 
I personally don’t find any difference in a side charger verses the rear.

I just like the look of the rear charging handle and F/A.
That’s it. Period:)

But no matter what they have , I can use it.
 
jiffx2781 said:
I'm never going to chuck my MV even though I ordered a bunch of MS receivers.

The MV has some features that I prefer for certain purposes so I just made some changes to my MV so it better serves the purpose I want to keep it for.

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The MV is now a .224 Valkyrie rifle. I prefer the side charging handle and ambi bolt release while shooting from a bench or while shooting from the prone position. A rear charging handle feels awkward to me in these positions.

The light barrel and Fortis handguard from my MV are going on the slick side MS receiver. I like the rear charging handle on a rifle that I'm using while I'm up and moving about. So basically one of my MS builds is going to look like my MV originally did except it'll have a rear charging handle.

As much as I'm looking forward to my MS receivers I'll never put the MV on the chopping block. Now that it's set up the way I have it, I love it more than ever.

In my opinion the MV and MS are two totally different products and each of them will be serving totally different purposes for me.
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Which is great for you, but for my applications I would prefer a more AR compatible rifle. That's why they always sell different products because everyone's needs are different. However I'm sure the Value of the MV and also I'm sure sales have dropped. Im not saying it's an inferior product because everything that comes out of ATRS is top notch stuff.
 
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jiffx2781 said:
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How do you like the setup with that stock?

I have a PRS for my MS build, but it does feel heavy. The idea is that it should help balance with the weight of the 18.6" barrel.

Also, how is the BLK LBL handguard treating you? I fondled one at the shop one day, and kind of liked it. Considering one for my second MS build.
 
Deciding between barrels and can't choose. It's going to be for a multipurpose rifle for target shooting, hunting and maybe some competition. Is a MRA pencil barrel good enough or go for a CF wrapped barrel like BSF? Looked into Proof but too expensive.
 
I would like to stay under 7 pounds, but still on a reasonable budget. I was thinking about using a Black Creek labs stainless steel barrel like I have on my SLR because I wanted to stick with a mid length gas system, but there are probably lighter Barrel options with a longer gas system. Probably some kind of titanium bolt carrier group, but I'm still open to suggestion. I really would like to keep the weight down more than anything else. Can it be done for under two grand? I think so. My MDI was a $2,000 bill, and it weighs in it 7.4 pounds unloaded.
 
Bomiheko said:
Deciding between barrels and can't choose. It's going to be for a multipurpose rifle for target shooting, hunting and maybe some competition. Is a MRA pencil barrel good enough or go for a CF wrapped barrel like BSF? Looked into Proof but too expensive.
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ANY pencil thin barrel will deflect from heat faster than a heavier barrel will. The Proof or BSF barrels have the advantage of using the carbon fiber to stiffen the thin profile barrel down so it does not deflect with heat. The downside is the cost.
If you are planning to run big mags and blast away all day a pencil barrel will not provide the accuracy, but then again what sort of accuarcy are you requiring. Some guys use volume of shots as a replacement for precise placement of shots. It is known as spray and pray.

The MRA barrel I have been shooting has proven to shoot well and is a good value. The Proof barrels on my MH and MV shoot very well and are close to the same weight as a light profile barrel, but cost is considerably higher.
 
It wasnt touching, just looks like that in the picture for some reason. I also did all those parts individually and got the Same number.
 
BCreserveMP said:
I would like to stay under 7 pounds, but still on a reasonable budget. I was thinking about using a Black Creek labs stainless steel barrel like I have on my SLR because I wanted to stick with a mid length gas system, but there are probably lighter Barrel options with a longer gas system. Probably some kind of titanium bolt carrier group, but I'm still open to suggestion. I really would like to keep the weight down more than anything else. Can it be done for under two grand? I think so. My MDI was a $2,000 bill, and it weighs in it 7.4 pounds unloaded.
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I'm sitting at about 1400....but I got some pretty good deals along the way. Weight isnt a huge concern for me though currently.
 
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