Modern Varmint style uppers and lowers

jiffx2781 said:
If you can keep the price at $1000 (same price as MacDef) AND include a couple extra features such as the compatibility with ALL ar triggers and the forward assist, you will outsell them based on features as well as the fact that you are already a known quality brand.

However I think there are more people who don't necessarily find a forward assist to be a must have. I would like it but I really couldn't care less if it was there or not.

I would like the best features package and the best quality, however I know not everyone thinks like me. Also not everyone can afford the best of the best.

In reality the lower you can keep the pricing the more units you will sell. It's up to you to determine where the line is drawn between features, quality and price.
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Well we only know 1 grade of quality, so that won't change from we already do.
Features equate to costs and we are trying to keep them down and we do not want to offer yet more versions of the same upper or lower as that defeats any chance of more production.
Personally I can see no benefit to the forward assist at all. To close the bolt quietly can be accomplished with both our side charge version as well as the rear charge rifles, assuming that the bolt is properly fitted and lubed, it can be pushed into full battery by thumbing the cut out in the bolt carrier forward if need be. If more force is required there is an ammo problem.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Initially we figured to include it, but are undecided at this point due to costs. To include a forward assist and milled in place shell deflector requires larger material, which adds to the cost as well as adds about 30 minutes of machine time, which again increases the end cost. The shell deflectors on the MH and MV are fairly inexpensive to make in comparison to milling them out of the larger billet. 6 minutes of machine time and we can use the scrap from the mags wells for material.

It seems more guys are in favor of cheaper than any other feature and you can't have it both ways. We still have time to change this as we are still working on the final prototype to put into production.

I guess in the end it all depends on whether a forward assist and milled in shell deflector are worth roughly $100.00 in the overall cost. We have not established a firm price yet, but this is just another part to factor into the final price.
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I hear you rick. Perhaps you could offer 2 versions of the upper, one that is a slick side no frills cheap option (MV-SSS sounds catchy) the other could feature all the goodies - dust cover, milled in forward assist, milled in case deflector, call it the MV-STR. Uppers could be interchangeable, and would cater to both audiences with out alienating the other. Just a thought. I understand this adds more SKU's which isn't ideal either...

I can personally tell you I would prefer a fully featured upper for clone builds. If I didn't care about clone builds I probably wouldn't buy any more rifles like this. But since I do intend to build clones I can foresee being interested in picking up at least another 3 or 4 receiver sets especially if they were fully featured.
 
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I know price to manufacture and appeal to the masses has to be taken in to consideration. The three things that made me cancel my preorder on "the competition" were the need for a tool on take down, use of a trigger box with no compatibility for drop in triggers and finally no forward assist. Forward assist is definitely the lowest concern on my list but I'm sure there's many others like me who feel it completes the package. Very interested to see where this goes and I wish you the best.
 
Well... From what I'm reading I'm glad I didn't preorder the other guys upper lower set.

I for one would pay a little more for better materials, and a forward assist with shell deflector.

Will you offer matched receiver sets and just uppers?

Very exciting news. Thanks for bringing us up to speed.
 
G.Mitchell said:
Well... From what I'm reading I'm glad I didn't preorder the other guys upper lower set.

I for one would pay a little more for better materials, and a forward assist with shell deflector.

Will you offer matched receiver sets and just uppers?

Very exciting news. Thanks for bringing us up to speed.
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The plan is matched upper and lower sets as well as individual uppers for those who want additional uppers for different calibers. Both will not mate up with anything AR as the geometry of both the upper and lower is proprietary but both will accept all AR components.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
The plan is matched upper and lower sets as well as individual uppers for those who want additional uppers for different calibers. Both will not mate up with anything AR as the geometry of both the upper and lower is proprietary but both will accept all AR components.
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Im hoping individual lowers are not out of the question either, I plan to build in phases.

1 complete rifle first, then the next couple uppers, then lowers to match the spare uppers once funds are available is my game plan if possible. Of course this is all a ways off yet.
 
I wonder, are you also considering different completed versions of the MV-S? An inexpensive as can be built mil spec, a best value build, a highend build, build to order. What’s the current thinking?
 
Don't care about a forward assist myself, but lefty does need an effective way to keep brass off the right side of his head.

This has my attention. The other product isn't due for months, so I'm not about to lock in a pre-order for anything until the day I'm ready to build. Looking forward to seeing what options are there on that day. Trigger pack compatibility is a nice plus too, as I've come to like such.
 
Looking forward to this new Product!! Thank you very much ATRS!

I personally still want a forward assist. Maybe offer the option of two different uppers? I would definitely be willing to pay extra for it.

Dont cheap out and use 6061. 7075 is the way to go. But I see why you might choose 6061. As the majority of cdn firearms owners want cheap.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Well as a matter of fact we have been working on a project we are calling MV "sporter", which we are in the midst of alpha testing. Essentially a Modern Varmint shaped upper and lower but with conventional AR parts being used in an effort to cut down on how many proprietary parts we have to make and to offer the consumer more latitude in the parts employed as well as an option for the DIY crowd.

Standard AR charge handle, trigger, mags, and most furniture can be used. Being as these share all AR parts compatibility and the only proprietary parts will be the upper and lower, our insurance carrier can not play the "proprietary firearm design adds further liability" card.

Having learned alot from the MH/MV process we are taking a little more time than may be necessary to test these, but will be producing a production run of them in the next month or so, at which time a "final production" rifle will be submitted to the SFSS/RCMP for FRT determination. Hopefully as these are based of an existing design that has a NR status it will be a short exam just to confirm what they already know. It is a variant of the Modern Varmint rifle, which already has NR status.
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You guys just made my day, week, month, year!!
I love both my MH and MV but would dearly love to gut some of my ARs in order to have more useful rifles that I can take anywhere. I hope for everyones sake you guys manage to pull off yet another huge win for the Canadian gun owners!! Your initial efforts were full of BS and crap from some of the haters, but with your drive you overcame all of the obstacles and the fact that you don't just sit on your laurels impresses me greatly.
All I can say is THANKYOU!! for continueing to work for us all.
 
no-one special said:
You guys just made my day, week, month, year!!
I love both my MH and MV but would dearly love to gut some of my ARs in order to have more useful rifles that I can take anywhere. I hope for everyones sake you guys manage to pull off yet another huge win for the Canadian gun owners!! Your initial efforts were full of BS and crap from some of the haters, but with your drive you overcame all of the obstacles and the fact that you don't just sit on your laurels impresses me greatly.
All I can say is THANKYOU!! for continueing to work for us all.
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Sheesh... This will make a great addition to my MV 'original'. Thanks for letting us know what awesomeness is afoot, ATRS.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
The plan is matched upper and lower sets as well as individual uppers for those who want additional uppers for different calibers. Both will not mate up with anything AR as the geometry of both the upper and lower is proprietary but both will accept all AR components.
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Any way you can put the serial on the upper instead of the lower like an AR?
 
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