Modern varmint vs bushmaster acr ?

Bombsquad68 said:
Sorry to hear that.

They need a small business consultant to come in and fix this. Eliminate this whole "built to order" model because it's clearly not working with 12 month lead times. Pick just two versions of each gun, a lightweight and target model for the MV and MH. Stock the parts, build the guns, put them on the shelf and lower the price because you just saved money via economies of scale. If people want to change barrels or whatever the hell, let the aftermarket handle it.

People want to support Canadian businesses, they're just making it incredibly hard to do.
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Seems to me you have all the answers. Why not just buy the company and make everything happen like you want it to?
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Seems to me you have all the answers. Why not just buy the company and make everything happen like you want it to?
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Thanks, but I already have two businesses that take up all my time.

Who am I to judge, maybe being a low volume boutique manufacturer is your endgame. More power to you. The consumer will find other options if they don't like waiting a year for a gun.
 
Brianma65 said:
I know right.
I was in on the first order,and after 12 months I sold my contract.

I figured after a few runs , they would have the bugs ironed out.
But here I am again.
I'm now in on the 3rd or 4th order and am going on 12 months.

Gets a bit disappointing,after being told 5 to 6 months.
And hearing things like ,the barrels are held up customs,the triggers are held up at customs,our machine is broke etc
LOL..

Anyway,who really knows.
But it's getting tiresome.

I guess maybe ,they're a small shop,and can only afford to order the barrels and triggers ,in a one shot ,large deal.
Not order a separate barrel for every build,etc.
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Don't take this personally, I know that waiting sucks and it would be great to see faster turn around times on these guns but if you hadn't pulled the plug on the first preorder you wouldn't still be waiting. Someone else is enjoying what could have been your gun but here you are still waiting. Impatience is only a hindrance in life.

Placing a preorder for a MV/MH is no different than placing a preorder for any other firearm that does not even exist at the time you make the decision to put money out. You know in advance that nothing is written in stone. Look at the type 81. How long has that been? And it's just a piece of s#!t commie built surplus sprayer. Yet people put money out and waited. I'm not defending anyone but things beyond reasonable control do happen.

Waiting sucks, I agree. Mine sure wasn't ready in the estimated 6 month period. IIRC it was around 9 months for mine but I waited it out and have it in my hands enjoying it.

Good things come to those who wait. You will enjoy it once it gets here.
 
No worries, nothing personal.

I have no issue with waiting.

But when you tell someone,5 to 6 months ,and it takes a year.
Well,that's bad business.

These guns have been out since 2013?

I tell my potential customers,a given time, I'm very busy,sometimes they are willing to wait for me,
Other times ,they opt for someone else to do the work.

Never ,would I tell someone,I'll be there in a month,and show up 5 months later.

Anyway ,it is what it is.

I'm sure it's getting very close now and I'm getting excited to get it.
 
Should go with ACR. It is a better platform in my opinion. Huge plus is the ability to quick swap the barrels. You can have it setup for 7.62x39. Also you can fold the stock on the ACR which isn't an option on the MV.
There is a decent following for the ACR south of the border with a good amount of aftermarket parts. Could also have a short barrel setup which isn't available on the MV.

iu
 
Brianma65 said:
No worries, nothing personal.

I have no issue with waiting.

But when you tell someone,5 to 6 months ,and it takes a year.
Well,that's bad business.

These guns have been out since 2013?

I tell my potential customers,a given time, I'm very busy,sometimes they are willing to wait for me,
Other times ,they opt for someone else to do the work.

Never ,would I tell someone,I'll be there in a month,and show up 5 months later.

Anyway ,it is what it is.

I'm sure it's getting very close now and I'm getting excited to get it.
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We are testing your rifle at this very moment. It should be ready to ship later today.
 
gunguy23 said:
Should go with ACR. It is a better platform in my opinion. Huge plus is the ability to quick swap the barrels. You can have it setup for 7.62x39. Also you can fold the stock on the ACR which isn't an option on the MV.
There is a decent following for the ACR south of the border with a good amount of aftermarket parts. Could also have a short barrel setup which isn't available on the MV.

iu
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When you swap barrels,is that all you ?
Just change the barrel ? Or would you need a new bolt as well?

How long would it tak to Change a barrel on the MV,with correct tools?
 
Brianma65 said:
How long would it tak to Change a barrel on the MV,with correct tools?
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With the correct tools, meaning an action bar and armorers wrench, under 10 minutes to change a barrel on a MV depending on which hand guard you have on the upper. The Fortis handguard would make for the fastest barrel changes. Others like the JP have a bunch of small screws to deal with so it may take a few minutes longer.
 
Brianma65 said:
How long would it tak to Change a barrel on the MV,with correct tools?
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With the quick release on the Fortis handguard it took me a whopping 6 or 7 minutes to remove the handguard, remove the barrel, swap in my new ejection port cover, reinstall the barrel and lock the handguard back on. Oh ya, and I had to loosen the gas block screws and slide it down so the gas tube wasn't in the way of me turning the barrel nut wrench.

If you have the tools there is nothing to it. Took me longer to type this than it took me to do it.

EDIT: I just saw that you're rifle is coming. Congrats man. The wait is almost over. Enjoy
 
Brianma65 said:
Get out! :)

Now I'm really Excited.

I didn't mean no disrespect, just saying what I thought of the situation.
And I have zero knowledge of you business, so it's all just guessing,for me.

Thanks
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No offense taken. It is just really hard to foresee an incredibly expensive machine (wire EDM) go down and after several months of trying to repair it, the maker says, it can't be fixed. we had to purchase a new machine, and they don't grow on trees. It took a couple of months for the new one to arrive and get set up.
It is hard to foresee a shipment of barrels being stolen from the trucking company (YRC Reimer) after they were cleared customs.
It is also hard to predict if CBSA decides to sit on a large order of triggers for 3 months.

This last batch has posed some serious nightmares for us that no-one could have predicted. Not even in their worst nightmare.

I am not making excuses, simply trying to make you aware of what has been going on behind the scenes here.
 
cr5 said:
The issues I've seen regarding the MH were mostly from guys not listening to ATRS. The rifle was advertised as being a little finicky with ammo due to the tighter chamber and certain types of ammunition such as surplus cheap crap were mentioned as being unreliable yet people still tried to run the cheapest crap ammo they could find through their $3500+ rifle then blame the rifle for the issues they were having. There are also people out there that went against ATRS warning that it would void the warranty if they messed with the trigger yet people who have no idea what they are doing figured that since they could change an AR trigger they would just go ahead and try to remove the trigger resulting in damaged lower receivers.
Then there are the guys that say they aren't accurate, well, if you feed it cheap ammo it's probably not accurate but if you feed it premium or handloads (not just any premium but spend the time to figure out what your rifle likes) then they are quite accurate if the person behind the trigger is capable. People don't realize how hard it is to shoot a semi auto consistently into sub moa groups, it takes a lot more than a good rifle and ammunition.
Sure it would have been nice to have a chamber with a little more wiggle room so it was more reliable with more types of ammo but it was never advertised as a general duty assault rifle, it's always been aimed more at precision shooters but unfortunately many people choose the wrong tool for their intended use then blame the tool.
My MH has been cycling flawlessly with my handloads (not using a small base die) and accuracy is as good or better than any other non restricted semi I've shot (similar to an SL8 or an ACR with Herron barrel).

For me anyway, I'm happy with the trigger my MH came with and even though I'm not sure why you would need a quick release forend I'm happy with the Fortis that it came with. For me at 9 pounds bare my rifle is light, reliable, and accurate and I don't really feel much need to change anything other than which optic I put on it depending what I want to do.

That being said I also love my ACR, and my M305's, and my Ar180-B, and most other guns. My biggest problem with the 102 is the consistency from the manufacturer, if it wasn't such a crap shoot when buying one I'd add one to my collection as well but considering what we've seen from the first batch of them I'll buy a MV next and that should pretty much be the last NR semi auto I need. Once my Type-81 shows up I'll even have a x39 bullet hose to play with when I just want to shoot cheap ammo and not pick up brass.
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There's were lots of people that have had a modern hunter that found them to be inaccurate and jam o matics regardless of quality of handloads and match ammo. Most sold them at a loss silently and moved on. I would rather get a bcl 102 and change out the parts that you want. It will still likely come in cheaper than your average modern hunter. I feel the odds of getting a proper functioning bcl 102 is higher than a modern hunter. Either way you're rolling the dice. Sounds like you you were lucky and have one that functions well.

I own most nr rifles. I find my varminter balances better than the my non dmr nr acr and between the two I would prefer the varminter. Either way you won't be disappointed.
 
gunguy23 said:
Should go with ACR. It is a better platform in my opinion. Huge plus is the ability to quick swap the barrels. You can have it setup for 7.62x39. Also you can fold the stock on the ACR which isn't an option on the MV.
There is a decent following for the ACR south of the border with a good amount of aftermarket parts. Could also have a short barrel setup which isn't available on the MV.

iu
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That looks awesome!

I like the new handguards RPM is making here in Canada for the ACR. There are enough options these days for this firearm that it's definitely worth considering. If you want a DM version, no problem including the PRS style stock. CQB, not an issue. Folding stock as an option, great handguard option and excellent ergonomics.
 
KAC URX hand guard,Proof CFW barrel,everything else is standard.

I'm gonna put a magpul butt stock,ergo pistol grip,, S&J linear comp, on it.

I have a aero precision mount and a Vortex PST gen 11 5-25 , for top

I might ditch the optic for something lighter.
See how it feels first,though.
 
RPM's hand guard is also lighter than the Plastic malpul one and way slimmer. His hand guard was one of the big reasons I kept my ACR. and everyone that shoots my ACR are blown away buy how much nicer it feels with a few simple upgrades.

I handled a DMR version and I wanted to cry... That rifle is totally off balance and is pretty much a bench only rifle.

Once Im done my 102 build. Ill be looking at getting a custom lightweight barrel for my ACR and getting rid of the quick detach barrel option.
 
DILLIGAF said:
RPM's hand guard is also lighter than the Plastic malpul one and way slimmer. His hand guard was one of the big reasons I kept my ACR. and everyone that shoots my ACR are blown away buy how much nicer it feels with a few simple upgrades.

I handled a DMR version and I wanted to cry... That rifle is totally off balance and is pretty much a bench only rifle.

Once Im done my 102 build. Ill be looking at getting a custom lightweight barrel for my ACR and getting rid of the quick detach barrel option.
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I'm curious about what getting rid of the quick detach barrel option would do? Remove some weight?

I'm slowly being convinced that an ACR is going to be my .223 NR platform...
 
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