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Ya... I hear that. I'll order one....
Modern varmint vs bushmaster acr ?
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Barrel swap is simple on the MV.
I'll use my XCR experience to try and demonstrate the "need" for an additional upper. I once thought changing barrels and calibers on the XCR platform was the way to go but I quickly learned my lesson.
Barrel change is the fast part but every time a barrel or caliber is changed you then need to take the time to reconfirm or change zero. Not a big deal but is a pita. Once I have things set I like to leave them alone. I don't have the time to change things around and then have to verify things every time I do, before I can use it. Or maybe I'm just lazy.
Not to mention different barrels and calibers sometimes require different optics for your intended use for them. A higher magnification optic for target shooting and coyote hunting with the 223. A red dot or irons for general blasting with the 7.62x39. A mid range optic on my 6.8spc for closer range or bush hunting.
There are plenty of reasons why a second upper make sense instead of a barrel and possibly an optic change every time you want to change your intended use. No you don't really need two uppers but it makes life so much easier when you can just pop one off when you're done long range work and pop on another that is already set up and ready to go blast pop cans or whatever with cheap crap surplus.
First world problems I guess.
It also seems I'm not the only person who sees the benefits of an additional upper because ATRS as well as Rob Arms and may other companies sell them.
Is it needed? Not really.
Is it convenient? Yes.
Will a second upper with a cheap barrel and different optic set up for general fun and wasting cheap ammo save the barrel life of your expensive quality rig? Yup.
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Including myself I've known 4 others that have had issues with their modern hunter. The accuracy although not great was ok but the reliability was not. Neither of these should be an issue out of a 5k gun. There are many other reports from other users who have had issues as well. It's not just ATRS haters that have posted their problems with them. Again it's like rolling a dice if you're going to get a good one or not. At that price point it's not worth it. The varminter has been better and I have a feeling benefited from some of the growing pains with the hunter.
Wish there was more training courses offered in the Edmonton area, the only ones I ever hear about are in Southern Alberta.
I work shift so 3-gun and those types of things don't work well for me as I end up missing half of the days. I can always take holidays for a two day course though, just need more of them close to home.
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Dilli and I took the Veritac Solutions MWO course. Training is only a small and new part of their operation. Check out their site and FB page. And check out the MWO thread that Dilli started. Maybe you can set up something for Edm. Their training is worth it. I didn’t think so after the first day but, boy, did I get it after the second!
From what I've seen most of the problem rifles are owned by guys that don't listen to the manufacturer. They expect it to run surplus like an AR-10 or complain that the accuracy is not great even though they are using cheap ammo or you find out later in the thread that they've never shot a tight group in their life but think that because they bought an expensive rifle that it will magically shoot sub moa even though they have no marksmanship skills. Some of the issues may be legitimate but rather than giving ATRS a chance to correct what's wrong they sell it on the EE then bash it every chance they get.
I have a MH in 6.5cm and have four friends with MH's and MV's and all of them are happy with their rifles.
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I suspect the varminter version benefits more from the standardization with the AR15 which doesn't exist with the AR308 rifles. Hence there aren't the issues. Like I said before, I wouldn't touch the 308 MH version but the 223/5.56 varmint version may be a viable option. Plus in 308 the BCL 102 pretty much ends any argument for buying the MH.
With the recent aftermarket and some actual support from Bushmaster (Freedom group), I'm actually starting to really like the ACR.
You're probably right about the MV having less issues, both from it being a little more standardized and because they have lot's of experience building high end AR-15's but based on what I've seen on here so far with the 102's the only way I'll buy one is if they sell a striped upper/lower, if I'm going to end up changing out everything in order to make it accurate and reliable I don't want to pay for all the other stuff just to remove it. Sure there's a chance I get one that is reliable but those barrels are cheap and I like accuracy in a rifle like this. Sure, change the barrel, yup, then it needs a trigger, then you've got $3000 tied up in an NEA and for just a little more you can have a MH or MV and not need to change anything.
Well thats the cost of having a NR AR10. All the parts I purchased for my 102 build can be resold pretty quickly if I want to get rid of it.
I wanted a AR 10 with standardized parts I can swap myself. Yes I know NEA sucks but you gotta pay to play in this hobby.
I wanted a AR 10 with standardized parts I can swap myself. Yes I know NEA sucks but you gotta pay to play in this hobby.
Well, using that rationale I guess Norinco also has lot's of experience building AR-15 carbines!!
Fixed it for you. You almost had it right
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Yes, but some items have wait times if they are not instock on Gravel's site. I would say it is on par for any non-AR in Canada.
^^^^ ###Y AF!!!!
!!!!Just out of curiosity does it shoot better upside down? lol jk
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