Modern Varmint What IF?

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onetwentyish said:
Respectfully Rick, I will not. Not because I dont respect your position, but because I can not live by what ifs, if I did I would not own these rigles as they already are. I am not asking you to manufacture this part necessarily as we have discussed this before, along with how Geissele blew you off.

Unfortunately you can not control what the aftermarket developes for your rifle, just like Bushmaster or IWI can not stop triggers being developed for their rifles. Worst case scenario, the lab would prohibit the part if they could "justify" doing such, and then it sounds like it is a matter that we should all get behind to fight.

There are alot of eager machinists I am willing to bet could easily produce and anodize the piece I have described. Just waiting on one to capitalize.
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Parts for a small portion of a small portion of a small market. Not sure who'd jump right on that, but maybe a buddy would make you one. Not my idea of a great business idea if you're looking for investors.

Sorry to hear you don't like the trigger, wholeheartedly agree with the decision not to risk reclassification. If you really dislike the trigger that much, I'd suggest selling them and putting the money into something you like better.

As the FRT mentions the Timney as a particular feature that makes the MV/MH not an AR, have you considered the risks of changing it for the sake of your rifles' classification as well as the entire rifle line? Yes, I know that seems ridiculous and illogical but this is 🇨🇦 - our gun laws are ridiculous and illogical.
 
Can we please get this thread back on the rails? Some useful responses would be appreciated in order to help us decide which way to proceed.

To recap, we are asking if dropping the match grade barrel to a milspec type barrel and captured buffer to a conventional buffer and spring that would result in a price drop of our Modern varmint rifles by $500.00 to $600.00 would make the rifle affordable enough for more folks to own one?

These 2 changes would be the only changes we undertook.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Can we please get this thread back on the rails? Some useful responses would be appreciated in order to help us decide which way to proceed.

To recap, we are asking if dropping the match grade barrel to a milspec type barrel and captured buffer to a conventional buffer and spring that would result in a price drop of our Modern varmint rifles by $500.00 to $600.00 would make the rifle affordable enough for more folks to own one?

These 2 changes would be the only changes we undertook.
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Yes!
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Can we please get this thread back on the rails? Some useful responses would be appreciated in order to help us decide which way to proceed.

To recap, we are asking if dropping the match grade barrel to a milspec type barrel and captured buffer to a conventional buffer and spring that would result in a price drop of our Modern varmint rifles by $500.00 to $600.00 would make the rifle affordable enough for more folks to own one?

These 2 changes would be the only changes we undertook.
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Well, as a MV owner it wouldn't cause me to buy a second, I'm hoping to spend my money on a Grendel upper if that works out. OTOH, I would like to see it. The more of these out there, the harder to reclassify, the better the long term availability of parts and support, and I don't believe it would affect the value of my rifle much. If you are able to come in at or around the price of an XCR, I think they'd sell well.

The more Canadians target shooting, hunting and owning non-restricted black rifles the better. This is a culture war and fighting the perception of black rifles as dangerous, unusual or unnecessary is a win. A chicken in every pot, and a rifle in every closet (safely and legally stored of course :))
 
Honestly the difference between a 3400$ rifle and a 2800$ rifle might make a few people open their wallets but for the most part I think us plebs would need it to drop more to make it affordable. I don't think you'd sell enough to make it worth the effort. If you can afford 2800 you can wait a couple months and get the $3400 rifle.
 
For only $5-600 I think it wouldnt be worth it. Now $800+ gets interesting in my opinion. I would like to see you produce these on an economy of scale basis, meaning hammer them out in large batches, all completely identical with nothing but the most basic choices. This would keep things simple and efficient. This in turn should allow you to get ahead of orders so no wait times apply on 'rack grade' MV. Prospective buyers should be able to drop into your shop and buy one on the spot, or even purchase through an associated retailer, RDSC for example.

If this thing came in at $2500 or less, it would be great. Thats where you would start to hit the ideal market in my opinion, just ever so slightly undercutting the majority of you competition.
 
for a plinking/beater gun if you're coming in at XCR price I'd have to lend myself to the XCR platform as I'd be pretty setup from the get go for interfacing my accessories with the keymod rail, rather than dropping another couple hundred on a new rail for the varminter.
 
Get it to $2000 or below, and I'll be interested. A $500 - $600 isn't enough of a difference. As someone else said if you can afford a $2800 rifle, it wouldn't be too hard to afford a $3400 rifle.
 
I don't think a 500$ difference would make a huge difference for a lot of people. If you could of got them closer to the 1500$ you wouldn't be able the put them together fast enough.
 
Seems to be a lot of people don't get that with labor and the parts involved (even with lesser parts) This rifle will still be high 2k-3k +/- $200
everyone here is on a $1500-$2000 pipe dream it seems. Now I don't know exact I'm just guessing but barrel, upper/lower receiver, and labor
probably is well over that $1500 mark alone. For this reason alone I wouldn't offer this. Too many people want quality for nothing, and no I'm not hating
I know everyone has budgets and bills. It's just reality. Much like I would love a proof barrel but cant at this moment drop $1500 on just the barrel.
ps. (don't own either rifles. But have had 2 bolt ones made from them)
 
$2500 would put it at the same price point as a restricted ACR. NR Varminter for the same money? I personally would be interested in one at that price. So long as it's a light or at worst medium-profile barrel. Especially if it cosmetically resembled my old C7A1... :)
 
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alberta tactical rifle said:
We have had a ton of inquiries on our Modern Varmint rifles from folks who would truly like one of these rifles but either are not in a financial situation to afford 1 due to the components used or just want a plain plinker where 1 to 2 MOA accuracy is good enough.

Unfortunately the minuscule market that Canada has and no opportunity to tap into foreign markets precludes any sort of mass production to bring costs down. BUT the quality of the barrel and a few other components could be changed to lower the cost.

What IF? We were to offer a run of Modern Varmints that don't have some of the Gucci parts? If, rather than an expensive matchgrade stainless barrel we were to install mass produced Mil spec type barrels. Delete the JP Silent Captured Buffer System and the higher priced furniture options?
The downside of dropping the JP buffer is that a conventional buffer and spring would not be retained. Unlike the AR however this is not a real big deal as our rifle comes apart quite differently.

The Timney trigger would still be employed, to alter that feature "could" require another FRT inspection, which frankly given the documents released this week regarding the AR15, we just don't want to go there.

What we are pondering is to offer a basic rifle that has either an A2 stock or a basic collapsible stock, very basic free float tube type hand guard, mil spec type barrel 20" long and standard AR style buffer and spring. This would save several hundred dollars and could get these rifles in the same price range or less than an XCR or Tavor but with a better trigger and way more aftermarket adaptability.

Thoughts????
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Very interested. Go for it.
 
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