Modern VARMINTER .... ?

If i remember correctly Rick mentioned that the barrel lengths required to maintain the nr status would be detrimental to the effectiveness of the 300blk cartridge and could lead to inconsistencies causing damage. The 300blk was desgined around shorter barrel lengths. Again, i dont want to put words in Ricks mouth, this is what i recall from one of the posts i saw in the past months. I could have been seeing things too.
 
Artemis said:
If i remember correctly Rick mentioned that the barrel lengths required to maintain the nr status would be detrimental to the effectiveness of the 300blk cartridge and could lead to inconsistencies causing damage. The 300blk was desgined around shorter barrel lengths. Again, i dont want to put words in Ricks mouth, this is what i recall from one of the posts i saw in the past months. I could have been seeing things too.
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Yes, he did say something along those lines, but that has not stopped ACR and now Tavor .300BLK NR conversions from happening.
 
The 223 is perfect for the small Haida Gwaii deer
But it would be nice to expand the MV usefulness
The 450 bushmaster has successfully taken game up to the size of buffalo
 
carverk said:
The 223 is perfect for the small Haida Gwaii deer
But it would be nice to expand the MV usefulness
The 450 bushmaster has successfully taken game up to the size of buffalo
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I like the idea of this rifle , and realize it is being built for hunting varmints but I have no use for 223 in the field as a hunting cartridge, others might, and that's fine but for me I would need something with a bit more down range performance on coyote, wolf, and cats. I'm gonna hold off and see what other calibers this rifle can be built in, otherwise, the modern hunter is a much more attractive rig for big game and varmints in one rifle.
 
45ACPKING said:
I like the idea of this rifle , and realize it is being built for hunting varmints but I have no use for 223 in the field as a hunting cartridge, others might, and that's fine but for me I would need something with a bit more down range performance on coyote, wolf, and cats. I'm gonna hold off and see what other calibers this rifle can be built in, otherwise, the modern hunter is a much more attractive rig for big game and varmints in one rifle.
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For Haida Gwaii deer the 223 is fine but for hunting on the Main land I want mor gas in the Injun for moose and elk
Don't get me rong I love the MH but as a hunter I will always Be looking for a lightweight rifle,
 
45ACPKING said:
I'm gonna hold off and see what other calibers this rifle can be built in
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yep, expensive proposition to be the first guy to buy solely on the ability to do a caliber conversion and find out it either requires special parts and/or costly machining.

I will wait till someone like Ian at Herron has had one to look at before I am sold on the idea.

Ideally a 6 to 7lb max weight semi auto in 450 Bushmaster or Remington 30AR would be an ideal Canadian big game hunting rifle

otherwise, the modern hunter is a much more attractive rig for big game and varmints in one rifle.
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Unfortunately, the weight alone puts it in a class where there are other options to consider, then there is price
 
I asked about 7.62x 39 but Rick pretty much squashed that idea with his boot LOL
I'm assuming x39 doesn't fit into some folks version of a varmint rifle and certainly not precision.
But that said, a purpose built, quality crafted x39 semi auto in non restricted format would be a very practical varmint/medium game rifle.
some of us don't see the allure of, or have long since ended our fascination with the sks's , CZ/VZ ect ect
oh well, no sense discussing it, ATRS was pretty darn clear that x39 ain't on the table for the modern varminter.
 
45ACPKING said:
I asked about 7.62x 39 but Rick pretty much squashed that idea with his boot LOL
I'm assuming x39 doesn't fit into some folks version of a varmint rifle and certainly not precision.
But that said, a purpose built, quality crafted x39 semi auto in non restricted format would be a very practical varmint/medium game rifle.
some of us don't see the allure of, or have long since ended our fascination with the sks's , CZ/VZ ect ect
oh well, no sense discussing it, ATRS was pretty darn clear that x39 ain't on the table for the modern varminter.
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I have a AIA Enfield 7.62x39 it is a sweet round in a Quality rifle I think it would be a grate in a MV for wolfes
 
right now I'm seriously looking at the 22-250 for my next coyote/wolf/lynx rifle, will that cartridge fit into the plans for the modern varmiter I wonder?
 
Brian46 said:
It's a non issue really, I can't see anyone asking for warranty or trying to claim liability on something they had modified after purchase.

Even if they did, there is no legal recourse/ground to stand on.
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The problem is that even when the manufacturer is above any legal reproach they get dragged in to a legal action as a matter of course, that is pretty much SOP for lawyers today.

Case in point we got dragged into a legal action a few years ago when a fellow blew his leg off and killed his T.V.. The total exposure that ATRS had was re-blueing a bolt action rifle. ATRS test fired the rifle when it was final assembled after being blued and there was no issue at all until several years later.
ATRS had no part in the victims drinking and drug intake nor did ATRS load the rifle illegally inside the apartment where this occurred. At no point was ATRS ever in the apartment, nor did we supply ammo or point the rifle or force the rifle to be pointed at the victims T.V. while his leg was in the direct path of the bullet. Being as ATRS was never in said apartment it can be concluded that ATRS did not pull the trigger, so could in no way be held responsible for the rifle blowing off the lower leg of the person who was in possession of the rifle at that time or the T.V. that was killed.
Responding EMS and police found various hand tools and ammo scattered around close to the victim, the reason for these tools and assorted ammo remain a mystery to this day. How the rifle came to be in the possession of a person with NO PAL is also still a mystery, but the fact remains the victim was in sole possession of the rifle at the time of the occurrence. The suit was dropped after the victim committed suicide 2 years after the incident.

HOWEVER It still cost ATRS many thousands of dollars defending itself to point out the obvious.
We have to look at many factors before making a decision to do something. In the case of 300 Blackout, we looked deeply into the number of catastrophic failures that have been reported when guys try and run sub-sonic ammo out of long barreled rifles. There "were" several bolt actions being offered, but it seems even they are no longer offered, and the chances of a gas gun failing are mush higher than a bolt gun where ALL the gasses are exhausted out the muzzle.
We concluded that the incidence was significant enough to NOT offer this.
We have also looked at the failure rate of bolts for the 6.5 Grendel and 7.62x39 and decided we did not want to have the hassle associated with warranty claims given the high incidence of failure that cartridges have in an AR style platform.
IF it the AR10 bolt could be employed, it would be better suited to the larger boltfaces these cartridges require,however it is a different platform.

It is all well and fine for a huge conglomerate to "walk on the wild side" when it comes to questionable combinations. They have REALLY deep pockets and can easily ward off, or buy out lawsuits, and due to their volume of sales having a few hundred upset customers means nothing, either to them or the client base. A small manufacturer such as we are can not afford the litigation, nor a bad name in the minuscule market Canada has.

This is also part of the reason that only complete and tested rifles or uppers are being sold, as opposed to DIY kits.
 
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I am very disappointed the MV is only available in 223 what's attractive about AR rifles is it's versatility and accuracy
I have no don't whatsoever about the accuracy of the new MV but without options in regards to uppers I think I will be out on this one
The modern Hunter is a hit because of its versatility and accuracy I'm happy with mine What's not to like with 6.5 CM and 338 Federal uppers
I think I will just order a nother upper for the MH and hold off on MV
 
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After reading Rick's response, I have more respect than ever.

When I first got back into shooting, my initial feeling on ATRS was "snobby" or "elitist" based on some of their pricing, and the "if you want what we offer, sobeit" tone, however my tune has really really changed. You do pay a bit more, no question, however the product you get is executed to a "t", it's backed with unquestioning support, it's thought out very very well (not rushed or built due to public pressure), and I'm proud of the maple leaf that's on it.

-J.
 
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