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Hi,

I'm sure this has been covered many times, I'm having information overload so if someone can summarize these for me, it would be great. I've just applied for my PAL and looking to eventually get a 91/30.

1) Some people say to get a hex receiver if possible, but the only ones I see available online are the pre 1930 ones, like 1928 or 1929 at westrifle. Aren't these before the 1930 upgrades with range in metres on the rear sight?

2) the EX-Snipers (also at westrifle and other places), they have had the scope removed and usually reverted back to normal duty. They still have the bent bolt, what else makes them better than a normal 91/30? Is there barrel heavier, or just overall the rifle is usually of higher quality, even if it is a round receiver, than the other generic ones stamped out during the war?

3) How hard is it to put a modern scope on it?
I saw a few non-gunsmith mounts but not sure how sturdy they are.
I don't plan on turning it into exactly like it was, but aiming (no pun intended!) to get a decent quality 91/30 and put a modern scope and mount on it for long range target practice and maybe deer hunting in the future.

Thanks! d:h:
 
Hi shores,

1. For simple shooting: The "hex receivers" is, IMHO, a bit of an over-rated feature. I tend to look for very nice bores before looking at the shape of the receiver - round or hex. I believe hex'es went out of production in the mid-1930's, being replaced by the rounds.

2. 91/30 snipers were accurate, but other than that they don't differ much from usual 91/30. They had their scope-mounting holes welded, and went back to being just regular 91/30. If memory serves well, they also have the "high wall" receiver variation.

3. If you want a modern scope on a mosin, my humble opinion: find one that's already been bubba'ed. It's possible, but usually not really worth it. Of course others' opinion may differ, but my short post is a start! :)

Bottom line, a 91/30 is a must in any milsurp lover's collection. Get one with a good bore, a crate of surplus ammo, and go to the range and have fun :)

Oh and a fantastic resource for Mosin Nagant:the website 7.62x54r.net

Lou
 
1) Hex receivers made by Remington, GE westing house, Winchester, chatterau, Sestreyovisk are nice. Tula & Izzshevyk are crap. All are weaker due to metallurgy and age/use.
2) The hex receivers were only made pre 1936 or there about.
3) Pre 1941 dates are decent guns but 41-45 are made hurriedly and often not the best machining skills or quality control were implemented.
4) After 36 all guns were in meters not Archens but 99% of guns made prior to this date have been refurbished by the Red army to have a metered site.

As above stated; 7.62x54r.net is Mosin Nagant absolution for information.

These guns were not ( and should not be) measured by MOA but rather MON (minute of Nazi).
If you want a great shooter look for a Fin capture (good luck with that) If you want a decent shooter and a pristine/excelent NIb finish look for a Polish M44...all 91/30 $125 mil-surps... the chips fall where they may.
 
Yeah, agree with Lou on the reciver. The Russians move from Hex to round recivers in the mid 30's ( 1936 ??) for ease of production and cost efectiveness mainly, not to get the rifle less rugged or accurate.

7.62x 54r.net web site is the best way to get around all the models and variations.
So,the rifle was desing by a Russian AND a Belgian. The first mass produce model was the M1891, basicly a longer 91/30 with little differance with the sight and hardware. Then come the 91/30, some of thoses where cut down M1891 with new stock. The model M38 came later and was cut even shorter than the 91/30 to be more soldiers freindly. THe list go on and on. Some Nagant nuts will corect me on this.

A note on the Ex-sniper thing. Personaly i will not buy one over any others 91/30. Like Lou said, the main thing is the bore. The Ex-snipers may have been better shooters when they were converted to snipers at that time but they also probably been downgrade to standard infantry rifle because they dont meet the sniper requirement anymore. The only good feature on the ex-sniper is that they have bent bolt and you will probably have to pay around 50-75$ to get a straight one turn down.

I don'T even know if the Russian take or have time to select the better one at that time for sniper use ??? They might take the scope off after the war for a stocking reason too ???

Look for the best bore,crown available.
 
Thanks for all the info :)
I'd probably be buying online as I am 2-3 hours away from any large cities.
What stores in Guelph/KW or London area carry MN's or any of the finnish rifles?

I've been trying to piece together what stores carry what from browsing through the online stores of most of the sponsors or any stores that are mentionned lately (bad idea, I have a shopping list a mile long :eek: )

So don't worry about ex sniper, etc. but focus on a decent bore and crown in the barrel and overall.
The thing that sucks is I might not be able to check it out first hand before purchase :eek:

I would be interested in other ww2 bolt actions, I have a few no 4 Mark 1+ enfields in the family I may acquire later, but am more interested in finnish/russian/german bolt action snipers at the moment.
 
Keep your eyes peeled for a Finnish M39. There is one in the EE right now. I have seen pics of that rifle and it is near mint. ;) I have a 1944 SAKO marked M39 that is a tack driver.
 
shores said:
Thanks for all the info :)
I'd probably be buying online as I am 2-3 hours away from any large cities.
What stores in Guelph/KW or London area carry MN's or any of the finnish rifles?

I've been trying to piece together what stores carry what from browsing through the online stores of most of the sponsors or any stores that are mentionned lately (bad idea, I have a shopping list a mile long :eek: )

So don't worry about ex sniper, etc. but focus on a decent bore and crown in the barrel and overall.
The thing that sucks is I might not be able to check it out first hand before purchase :eek:

I would be interested in other ww2 bolt actions, I have a few no 4 Mark 1+ enfields in the family I may acquire later, but am more interested in finnish/russian/german bolt action snipers at the moment.
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Apply for access to the equipment exchange on this site.
You will find a flood of very affordable Mosins.
You also have the advantage of not paying tax and asking for any number of detailed pics from the seller direct.
Dealers don't have the time or patience in most cases to give you that amount of direct one on one, single sale information.
The EE is your friend for finding your Mosin :D
I have a 1941 91/30 myself. It is a ton of fun lol I never get tired of shooting it.
There are also a few slight modifications you can do to it to improve the accuracy all around. Very easy to do mods that are all non permanent.
PM me if you want any info.
Cheers!
 
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