Molly Coated vs Regular Bullets?

Freyer I wouldn't worry if your guns are inside I think what ruined mine was the hunt.
We were camped in an RV for a week or so it rained and was damp .

My old 303 sporter #4 was moly coated for years prior to ruining my other rifle and nothing went bad with this one.
I dont want everyone to panic and think your barrels are toast but if you moly a steel barrel it should stay dry imo.

A quick google search should provide some good info on moly and steel.
 
Freyer I wouldn't worry if your guns are inside I think what ruined mine was the hunt.
We were camped in an RV for a week or so it rained and was damp .

My old 303 sporter #4 was moly coated for years prior to ruining my other rifle and nothing went bad with this one.
I dont want everyone to panic and think your barrels are toast but if you moly a steel barrel it should stay dry imo.

A quick google search should provide some good info on moly and steel.

I'm just annoyed because I had in my head that it was more or less inert as a lubricant when in reality I should have known better since it's a sulphide. ;)
 
Freyer 255 I personaly did an experiment with moly ,I dampened some moly powder and applied a coating to a piece of 4140 steel the next morning I tried to clean it and it was already etched rough and grey ,I then repeated the experiment on 416 stainless and it did nothing.
I read somewhere that there is some sulphur in moly and also in tungsten sulphide seems to me it was an article on 6br.com I'm not sure.

Not all moly is created equally. The key is to use 100% pure moly that is not contaminated. But moly provides no corrosion protection to the barrel steel if it is exposed to moisture, so you should be sure to run an oily patch down the bore after each shooting session.
 
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Oh for gods sake. Feel free to shoot moly bullets down an unmolied bore. I have done it with no issues and nothing happened to the steel. If you are going to stick to moly then do youself a favour and look up how to properly moly the bore so that you get the full benefit. You may have to work up a new load to get the same velocities as when you were shooting naked bullets. You can switch back to naked bullets after fully molying your bore by scrubbing out the moly. Or you could probably just shoot naked on top of it but you might get inconsistant velocities as the naked bullets slowly remove the moly from the bore.
Switching from naked to shoot a few molied and then back to naked has had zero effect in my .308.

This is partially true, if you shoot moly bullets in a naked bore, or shoot naked bullets in a moly-ed bore, no damage will occur to the bore. However, the moly will attempt to coat any bare metal surface, so it will lift off the coated surface when it contacts a bare metal surface. If this happens, you loose the benefit of using the moly, which is to provide a uniform slippery surface by coating and evening out all of the imperfections in the rifle bore and to provide a barrier between the bore and the jacket fouling.
 
Thanks a lot guys, I really appreciate the advise.

I'm still not sure exactly what I'm going to do yet... But like everything I can see that moly has it's good points and bad points.

I was told that once you do start using moly coated bullets, that you should continue to use them. Something about the coating making the barrel slippery and regular bullets not grouping well because the bore is so slippery.

Is there any truth to this?

Thanks again,
Blazer 1

If you try the moly bullets and don't like them, you can tumble them to remove the moly and then shoot them uncoated.

My (limited) experience with mixing moly and uncoated bullets is that the moly deposits will affect your groups/POI with a previously developed load using an uncoated bullet. A thorough cleaning will restore the performance of the uncoated load with no lasting issues. At least it did for me.


Mark
 
I didn't think Nosler made "moly" coated bullets. Lubalox? is what it is called and is NOT moly, nor do they claim it is like Moly.
I may be off base though, and your seller is right...but check it out. I HAVE used the CT (combined technology) bullets in my 300wsm as well as a .308, and had NO issues with changing bullet types as far as accuracy and cleaning went. The "black" coating came out very easily with normal cleaning, for me about 40-60 rounds, or one good session.
 
Or you could just switch to using HBN which doesn't have any negatives and is simple to use.

Not sure about that. The MSDS says to not burn it due to releasing toxic fumes and to not expose it to oxidizing agents. Also a lot of "do not know" with respect to toxicity. Don't get me wrong it's probably not that bad but I really want to know what it decomposes into before I play with it in firearms. I looked this up because I'm looking for a dry lubricant and want something stable and easy to use/upkeep and was thinking of taking your advice. :p

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/12.pdf

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Ok...in their uses .pdf they list things like casting metals. Now I don't know what to think lol. But it does say under fire conditions it releases toxic smoke, to avoid exposure to 'strong oxidizing agents' and to avoid repetitive exposure. On the plus side it won't damage your gun. That I'm sure of. ;)

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/11.pdf
 
I shot some uncoated accubonds and then coated my bore with paste and shot some coated using the same load. My group was reduced by about 1/4" at 100 yards in favour of the coated bullets/barrel.
 
Not sure about that. The MSDS says to not burn it due to releasing toxic fumes and to not expose it to oxidizing agents. Also a lot of "do not know" with respect to toxicity. Don't get me wrong it's probably not that bad but I really want to know what it decomposes into before I play with it in firearms. I looked this up because I'm looking for a dry lubricant and want something stable and easy to use/upkeep and was thinking of taking your advice. :p

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/12.pdf

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Ok...in their uses .pdf they list things like casting metals. Now I don't know what to think lol. But it does say under fire conditions it releases toxic smoke, to avoid exposure to 'strong oxidizing agents' and to avoid repetitive exposure. On the plus side it won't damage your gun. That I'm sure of. ;)

http://www.lowerfriction.com/pdf/11.pdf

Since the HBN is on the bullet and very little of it actually is needed I would think you'd have more of an issue from the carcinogenic burnt gunpowder smoke.
 
Since the HBN is on the bullet and very little of it actually is needed I would think you'd have more of an issue from the carcinogenic burnt gunpowder smoke.

Valid point. I'm still up in the air now on what dry lube to use. The only really inert one is graphite and finding high grade/sythetic at a consumer level is proving difficult at a reasonable price.
 
Do you even know what it can do to a steel barrel?
Coyote,

Sorry I missed getting back to you. Yes, I know what moly can do to a steel barrel. Have used it in quite a few rifles, all the way from 224s to cast bullets in my Marlin 45-70. Before the advent of the TSX, it was great on Barnes X to prevent copper fouling, which it still does admirably. Took about twenty rounds to get the bore done, and never had to use any copper solvent after moly coating them.

As for moly building up in bores, that just does not happen. While it plates onto the bore, one molecule thick, it never does build up thicker because MoS2 does not bond to itself. That is why it is used in so many extreme lube applications.

While I have read and heard many of the horror stories, personally have never had a single instance of rusting or etched bores in 12 years. Nor do I know anyone who does normal bore maintenance on their rifles who has. For me, that consists of a few swipes of Kroil, or other light oil, after every shooting session. Takes about two minutes per rifle, before putting it in the safe. I do this regardless of what bullet I have been shooting.

Perhaps the best reason for using it, is one rarely needs to clean a rifle to maintain accuracy. Accuracy stays the same for many, many, hundreds of rounds. One of our very serious silhouette shooters up here rebarrelled a rifle to 7-08, and as an experiment purposely decided to not clean the bore at all after breaking it in. The last I asked him about it, he was well over 1000 rounds, had no metal fouling, and accuracy was unchanged.

I have one good friend who does much more shooting than I do, and he molys for everything; target, varmint and hunting rifles. He has had no issues with bores.

BTW, the easiest way to remove moly from a bore is to simply shoot ordinary bullets. The moly will be gone in just a few shots. You can actually watch the velocity steadily move up on a chronograph as the friction increases in the bore, until it levels off. Sometimes as few as five or six rounds will do it.

Best,
Ted
 
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I have shot moly coated bullets for roughly 6 years without any issues...........

You can go longer between cleanings and accuracy doesn't drop off when shooting a lot of rounds.........

You have to be careful cleaning a moly'd bore as you don't want to remove the Moly if you can help it.

For cleaning I use a special cleaning mixture and then run a couple patches with moly paste on them down the bore to re-coat it. I was given this cleaning process by a Fullbore Canadian National Team member........ ;)
 
Coyote,

Sorry I missed getting back to you. Yes, I know what moly can do to a steel barrel. Have used it in quite a few rifles, all the way from 224s to cast bullets in my Marlin 45-70. Before the advent of the TSX, it was great on Barnes X to prevent copper fouling, which it still does admirably. Took about twenty rounds to get the bore done, and never had to use any copper solvent after moly coating them.

As for moly building up in bores, that just does not happen. While it plates onto the bore, one molecule thick, it never does build up thicker because MoS2 does not bond to itself. That is why it is used in so many extreme lube applications.

While I have read and heard many of the horror stories, personally have never had a single instance of rusting or etched bores in 12 years. Nor do I know anyone who does normal bore maintenance on their rifles who has. For me, that consists of a few swipes of Kroil, or other light oil, after every shooting session. Takes about two minutes per rifle, before putting it in the safe. I do this regardless of what bullet I have been shooting.

Perhaps the best reason for using it, is one rarely needs to clean a rifle to maintain accuracy. Accuracy stays the same for many, many, hundreds of rounds. One of our very serious silhouette shooters up here rebarrelled a rifle to 7-08, and as an experiment purposely decided to not clean the bore at all after breaking it in. The last I asked him about it, he was well over 1000 rounds, had no metal fouling, and accuracy was unchanged.

I have one good friend who does much more shooting than I do, and he molys for everything; target, varmint and hunting rifles. He has had no issues with bores.

BTW, the easiest way to remove moly from a bore is to simply shoot ordinary bullets. The moly will be gone in just a few shots. You can actually watch the velocity steadily move up on a chronograph as the friction increases in the bore, until it levels off. Sometimes as few as five or six rounds will do it.

Best,
Ted

Agreed 100%. When I chose, I went the way of the WS2 (Tungsten Disulfide) and have never looked back. Really simplifies my barrel maintenance routine, and the corrosion drawbacks really never manifest as I use light oiling to keep the moisture off the barrel. Pretty simple proposition, and I like the advantages.
 
I didn't think Nosler made "moly" coated bullets. Lubalox? is what it is called and is NOT moly, nor do they claim it is like Moly.
I may be off base though, and your seller is right...but check it out. I HAVE used the CT (combined technology) bullets in my 300wsm as well as a .308, and had NO issues with changing bullet types as far as accuracy and cleaning went. The "black" coating came out very easily with normal cleaning, for me about 40-60 rounds, or one good session.

I was wondering if someone would bring this up. The bullets in the OP are not moly-coated...
 
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