Moose and .30-30 Leverevolution?
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My buddy shot a cow this past fall with them. Moose was farther than he thought, or he aimed too low, and ended up shooting out both front legs at the knees, walked up and finished it in the head. They break legs and knees very well.
I would aim "away" from large bone structure and poor angles... Put an LVR/FTX pill in the lungs from broadside to slightly quartering away and it will be a quick, clean kill...
I load my .30/30 single shots with 150 and 168 TTSX over LVR powder... They are VERY effective.
I load my .30/30 single shots with 150 and 168 TTSX over LVR powder... They are VERY effective.
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You misread that... I didn't say that I was using the TTSX in my "lever action AS a single shot" I said that I load them "IN my SINGLE SHOT rifles" as in; break action single projectile gun...
Of course, in a lever action you can have one in the chamber and one in the mag... But, some folks have had feed issues with long spire points from lever mag tubes... Gotta make the first one count!
Yup. I misread that. And I never thought of the possible feeding problems.
The Leverevolution stuff is good ammo but don't buy into the manufacturer's hype. A .30/30 is still a .30/30 not a .308. Shoots a little flatter and retains velocity a little better but there are many better moose rifles around. Don't get me wrong, I love the .30/30 Winchester, I own three plus two .32 specials(basically the same thing) and hunt deer with them but moose are a different proposition and personally I like more power and range for them.
I suppose, I should have qualified my comments... I don't use my .30/30's on moose... Deer only, but based on the damage I have seen they would certainly work under the previously noted conditions... I have better moose cartridges that need to get out and play.
Binding bullets does not make it "tougher". Bonding any bullet for a 30-30 is unrealistic; if the bullet is too fragile for these velocities, well....
It will work just fine in any application that the 30-30 has normally worked. The longer range benefit really is only that on deer sized game etc.
if I was intending to do serious moose and elk work I would choose the Hornady 170gr RN or the Nosler 170 Partition. The 150gr TSX would be a fine choice as well.
It will work just fine in any application that the 30-30 has normally worked. The longer range benefit really is only that on deer sized game etc.
if I was intending to do serious moose and elk work I would choose the Hornady 170gr RN or the Nosler 170 Partition. The 150gr TSX would be a fine choice as well.
True its not a .308, but your last statement says it all, RANGE. At close range, (brush hunting, tracking/still hunting etc.) it has plenty of punch. Im not sure you can have a "better moose rifle" for close range work than a handy, compact, fast-cycling levergun.
Bonding a bullet most certainly makes it tougher. Why do you think the bullet makers do it? Try a ballistic tip Nosler and then try an Accubond. Tell me which of the two is tougher. I shoot 225 grain Accubonds in my .338 ultra mag. They hold up to even close range shots at almost 3200 fps. I would dream of that with a Nosler ballistic tip.
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Strictly speaking bonding bullets does not make them "tougher" at all. In fact bonding bullets makes them softer from annealing due to the heat needed to solder the jacket and lead together. To compensate for this the jackets are made considerably thicker. Bonding does keep the core from slipping out of the jacket, this usually only happens at the very end of the wound channel after the bullet has completed its job and is not as big of a deal as people think.
Another point, people always think they are going to get extra penetration from bonding, this is not true at all. A bonded bullet with no expansion stop will penetrate less then the identical cup and core bullet due to how wide the wide mushroom gets on a bonded bullet. The construction of the jacket is what adds penetration not the bonding.
As to the 338 ballistic tip vrs Accubond. Nosler them selves have noted the new style ballistic tips penetrate about the same amount as the accubond.
Another point, people always think they are going to get extra penetration from bonding, this is not true at all. A bonded bullet with no expansion stop will penetrate less then the identical cup and core bullet due to how wide the wide mushroom gets on a bonded bullet. The construction of the jacket is what adds penetration not the bonding.
As to the 338 ballistic tip vrs Accubond. Nosler them selves have noted the new style ballistic tips penetrate about the same amount as the accubond.
Right. I have never seen a ballistic tip penetrate the length of an elk, whereas I have seen an accubond perform this task with no issue. Yes bonded bullets can be softer, but they are tougher because of the thicker jacket and thus do not come apart.
