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Uh let me think . . . Nope.
The hard cores of Hornady Interlocks are even more reistant to upset at low velocity . . .
MOOSE AT 550 yards
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Uh let me think . . . Nope.
The hard cores of Hornady Interlocks are even more reistant to upset at low velocity . . .
1 in 30 is 3.3% a whole lot higher than 0.01%.
Sadly your most likely correct Elkhunter11, but Tactical 870's post was so mis informed it just made want to puke.
I really cant believe this thread.
Ok take the bullwinkle out of it and call it an animal -- gopher, deer, coyote, black bear ...
Who here has shot at a coyote at 500 yds? I would bet many people. Who here shoots gophers at 500 yds? I bet many people.
In my country rifle range we had life size steel cut outs (cant spell the real word today) at the normal various ranges-- we had rams at 450 yds. Out in the wind swept prairie in rain and snow. We had rifle rodeos with hunting rifles only. From laying down to standing up without aid of support. Anyone who could not routinely hit and make that ram fall would slink away in shame.
Of course that is not a hunting situation and that any good hit on the steel causes it to topple (it still has to be a good hit tho otherwise they just kinda rotate a bit and you know it was a bad hit) - but standing and shooting at steel plates at distance is very good practice. We would shoot hundreds of rounds - pigs, chikens, rams --we even had a running bear at a 100 yds (I think it was).
One event had iron sights only allowed -- I was better as a younger guy in that one (damn eyes). But again -- a ram at 450 with a good iron sight was not just luck - it was done all the time.
Point is that in my neck of the world a 500 yd shot is not so far as to be obscene. I dont know if I would hunt with anyone who could not shoot a steel ram at 450 yds while standing 75% of the time. While laying down -- it should be 95% of the time (stuff happens)
We would always shoot many many many rounds in all conditions all year round. Maybe that is what it takes rather then fancy rifles with tacticool bits and widgets. BTW -- many of the old guys had 303's, 30-06, pumps, bolts, levers, whatever -- nothing fancy that is for sure.
Ok take the bullwinkle out of it and call it an animal -- gopher, deer, coyote, black bear ...
Who here has shot at a coyote at 500 yds? I would bet many people. Who here shoots gophers at 500 yds? I bet many people.
In my country rifle range we had life size steel cut outs (cant spell the real word today) at the normal various ranges-- we had rams at 450 yds. Out in the wind swept prairie in rain and snow. We had rifle rodeos with hunting rifles only. From laying down to standing up without aid of support. Anyone who could not routinely hit and make that ram fall would slink away in shame.
Of course that is not a hunting situation and that any good hit on the steel causes it to topple (it still has to be a good hit tho otherwise they just kinda rotate a bit and you know it was a bad hit) - but standing and shooting at steel plates at distance is very good practice. We would shoot hundreds of rounds - pigs, chikens, rams --we even had a running bear at a 100 yds (I think it was).
One event had iron sights only allowed -- I was better as a younger guy in that one (damn eyes). But again -- a ram at 450 with a good iron sight was not just luck - it was done all the time.
Point is that in my neck of the world a 500 yd shot is not so far as to be obscene. I dont know if I would hunt with anyone who could not shoot a steel ram at 450 yds while standing 75% of the time. While laying down -- it should be 95% of the time (stuff happens)
We would always shoot many many many rounds in all conditions all year round. Maybe that is what it takes rather then fancy rifles with tacticool bits and widgets. BTW -- many of the old guys had 303's, 30-06, pumps, bolts, levers, whatever -- nothing fancy that is for sure.
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Find something like a magnum that will still give you at least 1000 ft-pds of energy at your 500-600 range. That being said I've had a guy kill one at 500 yards with his 7x64 which is not much bigger than a 30-06. Broadside shot in a power line open area lots of time to shoot.
Find something like a magnum that will still give you at least 1000 ft-pds of energy at your 500-600 range. That being said I've had a guy kill one at 500 yards with his 7x64 which is not much bigger than a 30-06. Broadside shot in a power line open area lots of time to shoot.
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- Back in the Peace Country
If I haven't lost an animal, or the two or three guys I hunt with haven't,..I haven't hunted much???
So basically, a person with enough expereinece hunting, has lost a biggame animal?
I don't get how you equate wounding and losing a big game animal to hunting experience...
So tell me, how many have you lost?
If I lose 10 and Jerry loses 5, does that mean I am more experienced than Jerry, Now if Scott hasn't lost any, he simply hasn't hunted enough...
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- Back in the Peace Country
Because we haven't lost one we are perfect???
Why would anyone take offense to knowing that someone else hasn't lost an animal,..
Maybe this year I should leg one...
People who hunt a lot lose animals apparently..
Lots of things happen on a hunt. I don't think I know someone nor ever hunted with one that tries shots beyond their ability. Sometimes a good shooter who shoots in his comfort zone still has things happen which can leave a good shot gone bad. I have seen a bullet hit a branch at 150 yards and turn a lung shot into a gut shot. It was a hard recovery of that animal. I have also seen bullet failures in which the bullet came apart leaving pieces no bigger than 10-20 grains. Shyte happens even to the most careful. If something happened like that, I don't think they should lose their tag, now if they took a shot at 700 yards and hit it in the arse, they need a good boxing of their ears so that the ringing lasts a week.
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Uh let me think . . . Nope.
The hard cores of Hornady Interlocks are even more reistant to upset at low velocity . . .
those are pretty pictures you have there
but with the exception of solid copper your still gonna get decent expansion all the way down to 1100 fps with most bullets and if you dont think there's much expansion under 2000 fps just ask all the dead deer taken with the good old 30-30 and a plethora of other calibers and bullet weights that are usually doin between 2000 - 1000 fps when the hit home
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- AB foothills
At the range I shoot at the rams are at 550 and they are 12" deep in the chest area. They are fairly easy to hit and I know a pile of folks who can do it on a regular basis, all of which are hunters not snipers. No 50 BMG's or crazy laser range finding scopes are needed either, just regular hunting rifles with regular hunting type scopes.
If you think 550 yards is a crazy insane range, that's good, stick to what you are comfortable with. But there are many folks out there who practice at ranges like that all the time and are good at it.
Again, stick to shots within your comfort level, but don't be surprised if someone out there is comfortable at a much farther range than yourself and has taken the time to practice at such ranges.
Moose
Dont bother taking the shoot at that distance your just asking for trouble. Four of my friends went moose hunting this year in different zones in northern saskatchewan 3 moose cleanly taken within 125 yards, 1 was cleanly taken at 300 yards with a 338 win mag, so I do think that you can get much closser that that.
Good Luck and happy hunting
Dont bother taking the shoot at that distance your just asking for trouble. Four of my friends went moose hunting this year in different zones in northern saskatchewan 3 moose cleanly taken within 125 yards, 1 was cleanly taken at 300 yards with a 338 win mag, so I do think that you can get much closser that that.
Good Luck and happy hunting
The old standard was 1200 ft/lbs of energy to humanely dispatch a moose, permitting a hit in the kill zone. Add to the fact that one needs to be completely comfortable with what you are shooting and that the firearm is capable of shooting that distance. Only a few people in the world could possibly pull off a shot that far and they are probably in the military using specialized equipment. I for one would NEVER even try to shoot that far. I know my own limitations. To wound an animal and not recover it is an absolute waste!
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You have got to be kidding me
Pick a standard off the shelf 30-06 pump ( gotta be a Remi right!) sighted in for say 200 yards....whats the holdover at 600 and how much energy using a 180 grain. This is the usual stuff the average hunter has out there, never mind windage.
Pick a standard off the shelf 30-06 pump ( gotta be a Remi right!) sighted in for say 200 yards....whats the holdover at 600 and how much energy using a 180 grain. This is the usual stuff the average hunter has out there, never mind windage.
Total B.S.There are many shooters that aren't in the military,that could make such a shot.Don't judge others based on your limitations.
Since when does the average hunter use a pump action?Not one of the eight people that I hunt with uses a pump action,and none uses a 30-06.In fact,pump actions are not at all a common sight at our local range.Bolt actions are by far the overwhelming choice among the more serious shooters in our club.Of course the Cat uses a lot of single shots
.I agree with Crazey Davey (if you have not guessed) -- a 400 yd shot at a bully is a gimmee - with a good, normal bolt rifle with good scope etc .
Last week - a bully at 360 yds lazed afterwards - 270 win in the shoulder and timber on the spot. I cannot imagine not taking at shot at 400 -500 yds.
O well - to each their own I guess.
specialized military equipment ?????!!!!! a 30-06 with a scope is specialized military equipment - just learn how to shoot it.
Last week - a bully at 360 yds lazed afterwards - 270 win in the shoulder and timber on the spot. I cannot imagine not taking at shot at 400 -500 yds.
O well - to each their own I guess.
specialized military equipment ?????!!!!! a 30-06 with a scope is specialized military equipment - just learn how to shoot it.
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I don't know where you all hunt,but long shots in my neck of the woods can be rare and I too use nothing but bolt actions, and maybe you can freehand a 600 yard shot. Good for you. But I still say that you and a few others are the exception. The average person who takes up hunting doesn't have the skill to do that. Besides, again what is the energy at 600 yards of say the .270. I would suggest to you that is well below the 1200 ft/lbs (I'm talking factory fodder here). Add to that, windage, which again the average hunter probably wouldn't account for. So again I reiterate, long range shooting is not foe the average hunter.
