Moose hunting in NFLD - out of province regulation question

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I had a friend invite me to join him for moose hunting in NFLD and I live in Ontario. From reading the regulations it appears that I can only get a tag if I am hunting with a registered guide??

Does anyone have any e pertinence with the regulations or how to satisfy the requirements? Could my friend be considered a guide?
 
I lived and hunted down there for 9 years - great moose hunting.

Anyhow, to your question.

Basically ANY Canadian resident can become a guide in NFLD.

You must:

be a Canadian resident;

complete a firearms and hunters safety course (NFLD recognizes other provinces hunters courses - federal firearms course for the firearms safety - nothing "grandfathered");

complete a First Aid course;

boaters safety course (whether or not you will use a watercraft);

and submit the application to become a guide OR take the guide course offered by some of their colleges.

The guides licence is only 10 bucks a year.

But here is the "kicker" that prevents your "buddy Bob" from "guiding" you, his buddy.

As a non-resident you can ONLY get a big game licence (moose, caribou or bear) through a "licensed outfitter" and you must use a "guide" EMPLOYED BY the OUTFITTER YOU get the licence from.

So unless your buddy 1) gets employment from an outfitter or 2) starts an outfitting business (whatever that entails), you can't go hunt as his guest with him guiding you even if he gets a guides licence.

They have it "rigged" so you are going to drop some major bucks if you want to hunt there as a non-resident - no way around it.

One other point - anyone acting as a guide CAN NOT Hunt OR Fish while they are "guiding" - so you couldn't hunt together anyhow.
 
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galamb said:
I lived and hunted down there for 9 years - great moose hunting.

Anyhow, to your question.

Basically ANY Canadian resident can become a guide in NFLD.

You must:

be a Canadian resident;

complete a firearms and hunters safety course (NFLD recognizes other provinces hunters courses - federal firearms course for the firearms safety - nothing "grandfathered");

complete a First Aid course;

boaters safety course (whether or not you will use a watercraft);

and submit the application to become a guide OR take the guide course offered by some of their colleges.

The guides licence is only 10 bucks a year.

But here is the "kicker" that prevents your "buddy Bob" from "guiding" you, his buddy.

As a non-resident you can ONLY get a big game licence (moose, caribou or bear) through a "licensed outfitter" and you must use a "guide" EMPLOYED BY the OUTFITTER YOU get the licence from.

So unless your buddy 1) gets employment from an outfitter or 2) starts an outfitting business (whatever that entails), you can't go hunt as his guest with him guiding you even if he gets a guides licence.

They have it "rigged" so you are going to drop some major bucks if you want to hunt there as a non-resident - no way around it.

One other point - anyone acting as a guide CAN NOT Hunt OR Fish while they are "guiding" - so you couldn't hunt together anyhow.
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Thanks for taking time to share the info - Well that is a major bummer as I was hoping for the moose hunt of a lifetime without having to take a lifetime to pay for the hunt.

As I was reading your post I was thinking - Well I can become a guide and guide myself but the last line - you cannot hunt while guiding put a stop to that idea ... Oh well, now to find a reasonably priced guide ... sigh
 
Also, watch out for some of those outfitters! I had a buddy book a hunt for him and his son with an outfitter there in Newfoundland. ONE WEEK BEFORE THE HUNT THE F&*@ING GUIDE CALLS AND CANCELS THEIR HUNTING RESERVATION!!!!! He mumbled some vague excuse that the "tags were no longer available" and he was refunding their money. Needless to say, he was livid, but what can you do? Speculation is that someone offered the outfitter more money for the 2 tags and the hunt, and he just threw my buddy and his son under the bus and took the added profit. Sucks, eh?
 
Mudduck said:
Thanks for taking time to share the info - Well that is a major bummer as I was hoping for the moose hunt of a lifetime without having to take a lifetime to pay for the hunt.

As I was reading your post I was thinking - Well I can become a guide and guide myself but the last line - you cannot hunt while guiding put a stop to that idea ... Oh well, now to find a reasonably priced guide ... sigh
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Why dont you just tag along with him on his hunt. Thats what i do when ever my brother gets his moose license. Still fun. You can still take some meat home with ya. Your just not legally allowed to shoot the moose, only your friend with the license can.
 
GunGuy34 said:
Why dont you just tag along with him on his hunt. Thats what i do when ever my brother gets his moose license. Still fun. You can still take some meat home with ya. Your just not legally allowed to shoot the moose, only your friend with the license can.
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Read the regs. If you are along, you can be charged. It never happens, but it CAN and has happened in the past. Page 7 of the hunting guide. Look up definition of a hunter.
The only reason I know this is because my boss at work went turr hunting with his family. His elderly mother decided to tag along in the boat. When they were checked she was charged for hunting without a licence (even though she had no firearm). A hunter is anyone on the trip.

We get around it here by carrying a small game licence and something to shoot small game with.
 
Trunnion said:
Read the regs. If you are along, you can be charged. It never happens, but it CAN and has happened in the past. Page 7 of the hunting guide. Look up definition of a hunter.
The only reason I know this is because my boss at work went turr hunting with his family. His elderly mother decided to tag along in the boat. When they were checked she was charged for hunting without a licence (even though she had no firearm). A hunter is anyone on the trip.

We get around it here by carrying a small game licence and something to shoot small game with.
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Ya im noy worried. I dont have a license and i dont carry a gun. I dont shoot thr moose either. All i do is watch and help carry out the quarters. Id laugh at any wildlife officer that wanted to charge me. Ill see ya in court. People with licenses have had help from friends toc carry out the quarters for hundreds of years. I have never heard of someone being charged.


If you can point me to the reg that says what your talking about i would appriciate it as i cant find anything.
 
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GunGuy34 said:
Ya im noy worried. I dont have a license and i dont carry a gun. I dont shoot thr moose either. All i do is watch and help carry out the quarters. Id laugh at any wildlife officer that wanted to charge me. Ill see ya in court. People with licenses have had help from friends toc carry out the quarters for hundreds of years. I have never heard of someone being charged.


If you can point me to the reg that says what your talking about i would appriciate it as i cant find anything.
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If you are with him before it is shot you can be charged, as you are helping pursue the animal (in their eyes).

http://www.assembly.nl.ca/legislation/sr/statutes/w08.htm#2_

Under definitions.

(f) "hunting" includes chasing, pursuing, worrying, following after or on the trail of, or searching for or lying in wait for wild life whether or not the wild life is then or later captured, injured or killed, and "hunt" and "hunter" have a corresponding meaning;
 
Trunnion said:
If you are with him before it is shot you can be charged, as you are helping pursue the animal (in their eyes).

http://www.assembly.nl.ca/legislation/sr/statutes/w08.htm#2_

Under definitions.

(f) "hunting" includes chasing, pursuing, worrying, following after or on the trail of, or searching for or lying in wait for wild life whether or not the wild life is then or later captured, injured or killed, and "hunt" and "hunter" have a corresponding meaning;
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I see. Ill still take my chances lol.
 
Heading back to NL next fall myself.

You can get a non-res coyote license for $50 and hunt with your buddy, as long as you carry a .22 cal rifle. They have a bounty there and pay $25 per animal.
 
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blargon said:
Heading back to NL next fall myself. You can get a non-res coyote license for $50 and hunt with your buddy, as long as you carry a .22 cal rifle. They have a bounty there and pay $25 per animal.
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The small game license (ptarmigan, grouse, hare) has been combined with the coyote license. So you can get one as a non-resident for $50, and hunt without a guide.

The $25 is a specimen collection reward rather than a bounty. It could disappear any day given the state of the deficit here.
 
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