Moose question

ironsighter said:
I don't remember the OP saying anything about running shots:



My answer is (red X ideal, green circle - safe error zone):

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It is up to the shooter to decide whether they are confident to make that happen at 30 yards, or 100 yards. And yes, the safe error zone extends down the spine and beyond but anyone with even average marksmanship skills should be able to keep it in the green circle with a decent rest. It's about 6" across for Christ's sake. As I said before, pulling high is the worst case scenario.
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Perfect photo and description
Thanks for posting that
Thumbs up fella
 
I would be less than truthful if I asserted that I have never taken a head/neck shot on a moose.
That said, I do not feel it is an ideal shot, leaving plenty of room to screw it up, and have a wounded
animal to deal with.

I have been involved with at least 4 tracking gigs because the shooter [not me] took a shot at the
head, and did not hit the brain/spine. 2 of these had the lower jaw hanging. All were recovered, but
only after very careful follow-up.

Having shot over 50 of the big cervids in my hunting career, I much prefer the high percentage shot......
through the lungs.

However, each hunter must make his own decisions as to shot placement. Hopefully those who choose
low-percentage shots will not come to grief. Dave.
 
If someone aims according to my illustration and they knock the jaw off the moose, they would be just as likely to seriously #### up a boiler room shot on a deer or bear. Either their scope is ####ed or they have no business pointing a loaded firearm at any living creature.
 
Eagleye said:
I would be less than truthful if I asserted that I have never taken a head/neck shot on a moose.
That said, I do not feel it is an ideal shot, leaving plenty of room to screw it up, and have a wounded
animal to deal with.

I have been involved with at least 4 tracking gigs because the shooter [not me] took a shot at the
head, and did not hit the brain/spine. 2 of these had the lower jaw hanging. All were recovered, but
only after very careful follow-up.

Having shot over 50 of the big cervids in my hunting career, I much prefer the high percentage shot......
through the lungs.

However, each hunter must make his own decisions as to shot placement. Hopefully those who choose
low-percentage shots will not come to grief. Dave.
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Eagleye, how many guys you heard of that spent lots of time tracking a hump shot moose?

I know a few and they all saw it drop right there and amazed when they got closer to it and it got up and ran away.
They thought they had a shoulder shot, but eventually found out it wasnt so.

But, as you say and is good advise"However, each hunter must make his own decisions as to shot placement. Hopefully those who choose
low-percentage shots will not come to grief ".

Good Hunting this fall all who venture for the Big Swamp Donkey ;)

Rob
 
ironsighter said:
If someone aims according to my illustration and they knock the jaw off the moose, they would be just as likely to seriously #### up a boiler room shot on a deer or bear. Either their scope is ####ed or they have no business pointing a loaded firearm at any living creature.
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Yes and No..more chance of the head, upper neck moving during or before shot taken..after all we are talking hunting in the bush , not from the bench at the range
either way bigger at the boiler room
 
FLHTCUI said:
Eagleye, how many guys you heard of that spent lots of time tracking a hump shot moose?
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A moose shot in the hump has a pretty good chance of survival. One shot in the jaw has zero chance. Head shots are very tricky and should only be done at very close range and only by those who are proficient at it. It's seen as an unethical shot in most hunting cultures. They're usually only done during culls and market hunters selling meat.

If the OP's friend is seeing moose in the same spot in tall grass, I'd suggest to put up a tree stand to increase the angle and visibility, rather than go for head shots.
 
Eagleye said:
I would be less than truthful if I asserted that I have never taken a head/neck shot on a moose. That said, I do not feel it is an ideal shot, leaving plenty of room to screw it up, and have a wounded animal to deal with. I have been involved with at least 4 tracking gigs because the shooter [not me] took a shot at the head, and did not hit the brain/spine. 2 of these had the lower jaw hanging. All were recovered, but only after very careful follow-up. Having shot over 50 of the big cervids in my hunting career, I much prefer the high percentage shot...... through the lungs. However, each hunter must make his own decisions as to shot placement. Hopefully those who choose low-percentage shots will not come to grief. Dave.
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Agreed.
 
ironsighter said:
If someone aims according to my illustration and they knock the jaw off the moose, they would be just as likely to seriously #### up a boiler room shot on a deer or bear. Either their scope is ####ed or they have no business pointing a loaded firearm at any living creature.
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my sentiments exactly,thats a massive miss to shoot the jaw off and if that was a boiler room equivalent thats a nasty gut shot.
where ever your choosen shot placement is going to be it has to be bang on.

i personally wait for the beast to appear instead of hunting it down.let it feed at its own pleasure,it can be 20 mins before i take the shot.
i want that beast comfortable in its surroundings before i end its life.

as for folk pushing bush and shooting at running beasts,thats a no no for me.

edit
i was actually discussing this with work colleagues and they seem to think its a european thing taking neck/head shots
ah well each to their own
 
Now would be a good time to get them coming to a mineral lick if its on private ground like the OP stated. Clear a few shooting lanes and maybe set up an elevated shooting platform like a treestand if the old boy is up to it. Off hand will make that 2" group much larger.
 
LE303 said:
We all know the heart lung area is the area to try and aim for . But I am curious about head shots on moose . Yes this is an I have a friend story / question . I have an older friend , 74 yrs old and walks with a gaited walk . Limps , cant jog or trot . On his property he has seen several moose but always see,s them standing in soggy ground and bushes about shoulder height to the moose . Think of it as you can just see the moose neck and head over the bushes . And for him trying to keep up to a moose he tried to flush out in open for better shot just aint gonna happen . So at a distance of say 40 to 100 yards with a scoped 30 06 and from side profile shot , where would you aim for . I know for a fact with a shooting stick type support he can do a 2 inch moa at 100 .
I have not spoken to him about this yet and wanted to ask here first . I would like to help him with his quest . Thank You
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Here’s what you oughta do:

Grab a pizza box and draw a 12” circle with a 3” circle inside it, and a clear dot inside that. Set it up at a distance he’s willing to limit himself to in a real world hunting situation (80 yards?). Now have him hike up a little hill, stand up and sit down a bunch of times, or anything within his realm of possibility to get him a little winded to simulate the “heat of the moment” heart rate that he’s likely to have during a real moose moment. Then have him take a quickish shot at the box, aiming for the dot. Then repeat.

If he keeps them all inside the 3” ring, he’s good to go for headshots as depicted above. If he keeps the in the 12” ring, either stick to lung shots, or try again while limiting his maximum to a shorter distance. If he doesn’t hit the box... Send him a tenderloin from your moose after the season.
 
remyltr said:
Nope repling to grizzly adams
And again i will clearly state it
If a head shot is available i am going to take it before
Your “ proper” shot

Head shot..... between the eyes
Between the ears from the rear
In from the ears side on
All work fine me
My freezers are full

Personal choice were you shove your bullet and were i shove mine
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Yep, you can pretty much “shove your bullet” where you want to if you hunt on your own. I hunt with a very competent group and our success rate speaks for itself. Occasionally we will take on a newcomer if one of our regulars can’t make it and if someone came along and stated a head shot would be taken before a “proper” shot, I can assure you he would be left at home. If you’re group accepts this, that’s certainly their prerogative.

ironsighter said:
^This.

If I said I always shoot snowshoe hares in the head/neck at up to 60 yards or so (and I do), nobody here would think twice about it. However, as soon as someone says they shoot big game in the head/neck... well, you know the rest of the story.

The end result is that plenty of people take head/neck shots on moose, deer, bears, etc. They've just learned not to talk about it on the interwebs.
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If a good head shot is all that’s available, I would say, go for it. It’s a decision that has to be taken at the spur of the moment. Certainly no problem if the hunter is confident of the shot. It’s certainly not the first choice but if that’s all that’s available, no problem.
 
bearkilr said:
A moose shot in the hump has a pretty good chance of survival. One shot in the jaw has zero chance. Head shots are very tricky and should only be done at very close range and only by those who are proficient at it. It's seen as an unethical shot in most hunting cultures. They're usually only done during culls and market hunters selling meat.

If the OP's friend is seeing moose in the same spot in tall grass, I'd suggest to put up a tree stand to increase the angle and visibility, rather than go for head shots.
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More good points bearkiller.
I wasnt implying anything when I quoted eagleye , just merely asking how many stories he has heard over the years.
Myself, I have heard of a few and surprised at who was doing the telling on some and not with the others.
That's the point I was trying to make.
Rob
 
bearkilr said:
Did you watch the video? The first sentence is literally "Roy Upton and his friend are out culling fallow does in a park."
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Did you read my comment?

I wasn’t talking about the video. I was talking about the British style of hunting, as opposed to the North American model. Where land owners own the “wild” game as long as it’s on their property, and “hunters” pay to hunt on property where land owners employ Game Keepers to guide the hunters to the game and point out which animals are acceptable for harvesting. I was just noting that the British model of hunting is closer to a cull, than to what we North Americans would consider a “hunt”.
 
kodiakjack said:
Did you read my comment?

I wasn’t talking about the video. I was talking about the British style of hunting, as opposed to the North American model. Where land owners own the “wild” game as long as it’s on their property, and “hunters” pay to hunt on property where land owners employ Game Keepers to guide the hunters to the game and point out which animals are acceptable for harvesting. I was just noting that the British model of hunting is closer to a cull, than to what we North Americans would consider a “hunt”.
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This is correct
Any landowner had a problem with any animal apart
From his farmed animal just shoot em shoot emall
They dont care
Old sheep farmer told me all he wants to see on the fields
Is grass and sheep anything else kill it

We have no tags no limits
And we still have deer issues
 
ironsighter said:
I don't remember the OP saying anything about running shots:



My answer is (red X ideal, green circle - safe error zone):

20190628110443-7f4e3db1-xl.jpg


It is up to the shooter to decide whether they are confident to make that happen at 30 yards, or 100 yards. And yes, the safe error zone extends down the spine and beyond but anyone with even average marksmanship skills should be able to keep it in the green circle with a decent rest. It's about 6" across for Christ's sake. As I said before, pulling high is the worst case scenario.
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^^^^^^^^THIS!!^^^^^^^ The last bull I took was hit exactly in that spot. It was either that or lose it. It was standing between two full trunk Balsams knee deep at the edge of swamp at 85 yards through tag alders and cedars. We had ten hunters and one Bull tag with one day left of a six day hunt in north central Ontario. One shot and it dropped in it's tracks. It was a really tough week,snow,rain,ice,high wind and freezing frickin' cold,nothing was going right. Zero to hero in ten seconds flat.
 
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