Moose shot at 1100 yards

My thoughts are that hunting and shooting are different ends of the same beast.

Was that video a hunting a video? Well,not for me it wasn't. Was it a great shot? Sure was....and good on him.

If he can do it, I'm not gonna judge him.
 
Gatehouse, you bring some excellent points to the table, and taught this old dog something new.;) I guess maybe the internet has been around long enough that I took it for granted, but you are indeed correct.

I've watched CGN grow over the years and while the hunting interest has grown here, I do know other boards that are targetting hunters, pardon the pun and it shows in their numbers. Every day they sign on new members who have either never hunted or are novices who are just starting.

I think it's great that we have a venue to expose them to our sports, but along with the good comes the not so good. That would be the preconcieved ideas and notions that they bring along from their life experience. They then view soemthing through the eyes of someone who has never been exposed to the situation they comment on. I understand this and hope that we can educate through discussions like this one. It works if we all try to keep an open mind, realize that we do not know everything and that there are actually occassions where our beliefs may be challenged.

It's not important to me that anyone agree with my POV. We are all free to choose.

One thing to remember is that ethics are how we conduct ourselves when no one is watching.

Eagleye, there is a difference between saying and seeing. Regardless of how many animals you have killed it has zero to do with my experiences. I asked what what a proper lung shot was and gave an example for your approval. You choose instead to run on about how many animals you've killed.

It isn't so because I say it's so, it's so because I've seen it more than once. And yes I try to support my POV. It works better for me than "I Feel". Surely you will agree that your huntingexperience is different from mine or anyone else's and yet you tell me what I saw is impossible.

I could be lying I guess, but that would imply that I care about what you think of me, or my ethics. I don't. I also don't care to pass judgement on what you call your ethics.

RW. Drugs? Really?? That's the only reason anyone would have a different POV than you? Really??? Would it have to be recreational drugs or would prescription drugs apply as well?:slap:

Please tell me at what point in these missed, wounded and lost animals did you finally start hitting your targets 100% of the time?
If you could share your secrets I bet there would be a lot less wounded, lost and missed animals.How do you GUARANTEE a hit to the vitals every time?

"I have an advantage...I don't hunt racks so I can wait for a shot"
HMMM? I thought the kill zone on a deer was the same size on a buck or a doe. Is it different on a cow elk and and a bull? how about moose? Or do you really think Rack hunters shoot the racks?

You and I are different. If I ever made a mistake I wouldn't let my wife or kids know, they think I'm perfect. YMMV.;)
 
Redfrog, if you re-read my post, I did describe what a "proper" lung shot was, IMHO. Lung tissue does not need to be hanging out the far side to indicate a "proper" lung shot. But to be truly effective, both lungs need to be significantly damaged.
I firmy believe that the more experience you have at a particular endeavor, the more valid conclusions become, thus the mention of game taken/observed being taken.
It would appear that we both have strong opinions on this subject, and will probably not be successful in convincing each other of a different probability.
But differences of opinion are what makes the world go 'round, so you are certainly welcome to your opinion. :0)
However, I would be willing to bet a substantial sum of money that your viewpoint among hunters has less support than has mine, particularly among truly experienced hunters. Eagleye..
 
no woodsman, luck is that it didnt decide to take one step or shake the flies off its back during flight time. it is impossible to anticipate that during that 1.5-1.8 seconds its not going to move, therefore pure luck is involved that it stood still that long. That would be great shooting if it was paper, this is a case DECENT shooting skill (unlikely he was aiming for its spine) and taking a gamble.
 
well , *I* am not an animal , I don't have claws and so on , So , since I am a human, and I have the intellect to make my weapons etc... Why on earth should I not hunt with them ? hmmmm ? If you want to talk ethics then , fine , lets go for it , drop your guns , and take a knife and slink thru the bush like every other animal out there , now your ethical , we have a distinct advantage over the animals , period , and whether it be at 50 yards 100 yards or whatever yardage , no animal can kill at a range we can kill at , so you want ethics , well then go crawl thru the bush with a knife after it , or at least take your bow, and crawl after it . *I* don't have time to crawl after things , I kill to eat , period ! I don't go after racks (real ethical) , I don't leave animals rotting in the bush (more ethics) , I shoot to kill I eat what I kill , I use it ALL . And guess what ? I'll shoot at whatever yardage *I* am comfortable at ! . don't like it , deal with it . i'm with redfrog on this one , and BTW there are plenty more that are with him on it as well, more than you think ! Also , I have a friend that lung shot a deer , with muzzleloader , last legal light, small doe , misjudged the distance , shot her , she ran , we lost her, had to come back , next day , was still alive , hit one lung , finished her off, so yes , a lung shot CAN go , a distance , especially a young Adrenaline driven deer ! We've tracked deer with almost no blood trail, not THAT difficult if you can actually manage to stay focused on the point the animal entered the bush , instead of jumping up and down, screaming like you just had an orgasm like those morons on TV .
 
fuzzy: The only person who can determine if a shot is ethical for you... is YOU! I presume that you know your abilities, and your limitations. That is the only criteria that you can judge ethics, and the only one you can judge, is yourself.

Whether it is a 22 hornet, or a .338 Lapua, if you are confident in your ability, and that confidence is justified by actual ability... then you know what an ethically sound shot is for you.

I used to shoot and hunt with a guy... we would shoot golfballs off tees at 500 consistantly. HE, could do it almost 100% shooting offhand. off supported rests, we both were almost 100%. So, given this, and the number of rounds that I still throw down the pipe each year, I know where my limits are for an ethical kill shot too; and I dare say it is a might further out than yours. But I am not trying to judge you by your inability, your lack of practice, your lack of confidence, nor personal opinion. I am just saying that different people can do different things and they should not be judged on ones own criteria.

Bearkilr: You are right, I did not think of our native bretheran; and in fact you reminded me of something I witnessed not so long ago. A few of us were fishing a remote lake when another boat came up near us. There were two native fellows in it, and they started calling for moose (late fall, but before any 'season') we chatted for a bit, then one hauls up his 'rifle' and bangs off eight shots in rapid succession. watching where he was shooting we watched in awe as a 2-3 year old bull turned and walked up towards the bush from the water. it dropped dead within 20' from where he first hit it. We marked the spot, and went to help them. With a lever .22 Magnum with a 2x scope, he landed 7 of the 8 shots in the area of a pie plate across the chest (lungs/heart). At the time I guessed it to be 1000 yards, and actually paced it off later after the ice was on, and it was 968 yards.

Now, 7 of 8 hits, in the kill zone, from a drifting boat on a walking moose. hmm. I may not like the fact that he did that (jealousy); but I certainly have to admire his skill. when I asked him why he didn't use a rifle, he pulled out an old .30-06 and said they don't use it except for long shots.

My jaw hit my chest!
 
.3 moa off hand at golf balls with almost 100% success. wow. Take the shooter out of the thats a damn fine gun, switch the gun for a laser beam and thats a damn good shooter, add the guns handicap to the shooters and still end up with .3moa at 500 yards freehand and you have created a tale of infinite question. now take the .22 magnum, if zeroed at 100y and shooting at a moose at 968y, thats 262 FEET of hold over with an impact energy of about 6 foot pounds. Who woulda known I could hunt moose with my spring powered canadian tire special pellet gun!!!! good thing it wasnt windy, even a 1mph crosswind is 140inches of drift. 7 out of 8 shots connected. wow. I wouldnt have belived it if I didnt read it here. 2moa with a rimfire and a 2 power scope from a rocking boat. Thats just awesome.
By the way if you watch that video closly and in slow mo like I did, you can follow the bullet to the hip-spine area. Only a real F-tard aims there. Perhaps these native you met could teach him how to shoot accurately. Now if you were truly looking in the direction of where he was shooting youd be looking at mars or a hovering spaceship full of cowering aliens, not a moose on a lakeshore.
 
Sniper-T said:
fuzzy: The only person who can determine if a shot is ethical for you... is YOU! I presume that you know your abilities, and your limitations. That is the only criteria that you can judge ethics, and the only one you can judge, is yourself.

Whether it is a 22 hornet, or a .338 Lapua, if you are confident in your ability, and that confidence is justified by actual ability... then you know what an ethically sound shot is for you.

I used to shoot and hunt with a guy... we would shoot golfballs off tees at 500 consistantly. HE, could do it almost 100% shooting offhand. off supported rests, we both were almost 100%. So, given this, and the number of rounds that I still throw down the pipe each year, I know where my limits are for an ethical kill shot too; and I dare say it is a might further out than yours. But I am not trying to judge you by your inability, your lack of practice, your lack of confidence, nor personal opinion. I am just saying that different people can do different things and they should not be judged on ones own criteria.

Bearkilr: You are right, I did not think of our native bretheran; and in fact you reminded me of something I witnessed not so long ago. A few of us were fishing a remote lake when another boat came up near us. There were two native fellows in it, and they started calling for moose (late fall, but before any 'season') we chatted for a bit, then one hauls up his 'rifle' and bangs off eight shots in rapid succession. watching where he was shooting we watched in awe as a 2-3 year old bull turned and walked up towards the bush from the water. it dropped dead within 20' from where he first hit it. We marked the spot, and went to help them. With a lever .22 Magnum with a 2x scope, he landed 7 of the 8 shots in the area of a pie plate across the chest (lungs/heart). At the time I guessed it to be 1000 yards, and actually paced it off later after the ice was on, and it was 968 yards.

Now, 7 of 8 hits, in the kill zone, from a drifting boat on a walking moose. hmm. I may not like the fact that he did that (jealousy); but I certainly have to admire his skill. when I asked him why he didn't use a rifle, he pulled out an old .30-06 and said they don't use it except for long shots.

My jaw hit my chest!
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I call BS sorry...
 
Sniper-T said:
fuzzy: The only person who can determine if a shot is ethical for you... is YOU! I presume that you know your abilities, and your limitations. That is the only criteria that you can judge ethics, and the only one you can judge, is yourself.

Whether it is a 22 hornet, or a .338 Lapua, if you are confident in your ability, and that confidence is justified by actual ability... then you know what an ethically sound shot is for you.

I used to shoot and hunt with a guy... we would shoot golfballs off tees at 500 consistantly. HE, could do it almost 100% shooting offhand. off supported rests, we both were almost 100%. So, given this, and the number of rounds that I still throw down the pipe each year, I know where my limits are for an ethical kill shot too; and I dare say it is a might further out than yours. But I am not trying to judge you by your inability, your lack of practice, your lack of confidence, nor personal opinion. I am just saying that different people can do different things and they should not be judged on ones own criteria.

Bearkilr: You are right, I did not think of our native bretheran; and in fact you reminded me of something I witnessed not so long ago. A few of us were fishing a remote lake when another boat came up near us. There were two native fellows in it, and they started calling for moose (late fall, but before any 'season') we chatted for a bit, then one hauls up his 'rifle' and bangs off eight shots in rapid succession. watching where he was shooting we watched in awe as a 2-3 year old bull turned and walked up towards the bush from the water. it dropped dead within 20' from where he first hit it. We marked the spot, and went to help them. With a lever .22 Magnum with a 2x scope, he landed 7 of the 8 shots in the area of a pie plate across the chest (lungs/heart). At the time I guessed it to be 1000 yards, and actually paced it off later after the ice was on, and it was 968 yards.

Now, 7 of 8 hits, in the kill zone, from a drifting boat on a walking moose. hmm. I may not like the fact that he did that (jealousy); but I certainly have to admire his skill. when I asked him why he didn't use a rifle, he pulled out an old .30-06 and said they don't use it except for long shots.

My jaw hit my chest!
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Couldn't find a BS flag big enough to address this post.!! Eagleye.
 
Sniper-T said:
Bearkilr: You are right, I did not think of our native bretheran; and in fact you reminded me of something I witnessed not so long ago. A few of us were fishing a remote lake when another boat came up near us. There were two native fellows in it, and they started calling for moose (late fall, but before any 'season') we chatted for a bit, then one hauls up his 'rifle' and bangs off eight shots in rapid succession. watching where he was shooting we watched in awe as a 2-3 year old bull turned and walked up towards the bush from the water. it dropped dead within 20' from where he first hit it. We marked the spot, and went to help them. With a lever .22 Magnum with a 2x scope, he landed 7 of the 8 shots in the area of a pie plate across the chest (lungs/heart). At the time I guessed it to be 1000 yards, and actually paced it off later after the ice was on, and it was 968 yards.

Now, 7 of 8 hits, in the kill zone, from a drifting boat on a walking moose. hmm. I may not like the fact that he did that (jealousy); but I certainly have to admire his skill. when I asked him why he didn't use a rifle, he pulled out an old .30-06 and said they don't use it except for long shots.

My jaw hit my chest!
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Nice story. Isn't it time to do your homework now?
 
greywolf your totally missin the point. I have no doubt you know your gear and can send your bullet on the path you want it. No doubt at all. But YOU CAN NOT be sure the animal will be in the same place it was when you touched off. from 300 to 1000 yards is a BIG difference in flight time, and a BIG difference regarding how far the "target" has moved.
 
fuzzynuts54 said:
greywolf your totally missin the point. I have no doubt you know your gear and can send your bullet on the path you want it. No doubt at all. But YOU CAN NOT be sure the animal will be in the same place it was when you touched off. from 300 to 1000 yards is a BIG difference in flight time, and a BIG difference regarding how far the "target" has moved.
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My biggest concerns would be judgin a cross wind that exists at 800 yrds ...but no doubt they know how to do this.
 
No , I'm not missing any point, not one bit , I do know MY stuff as well, sorry, but you , nor I are equipped to judge anything anyone does, I shoot out to 600 yards , that is my comfort range , I haven't lost an animal yet, i've been hunting for many many years, it can be done , ethically as you would call it . honestly , I could care less the animal is dead , he didn't lose it , and give a half hearted chase, and pack it in and say he tried . I saw a guy use a 30/30 3 years ago, shot at a doe and her fawn, winged the doe, walked right into MY line of sight, with hardly any orange, after I saw the doe and was taking Aim, there was no secret that I was there , spent all of 5 minutes looking for the doe, and left all disgusted, I asked him what rifle he was using, he said 30/30 , asked him if he sighted in, no I did that 5 years ago after I got the gun , I could have slugged him ......... THAT is unethical ! IRRESPONSIBLE < AND STUPID ! the shot this guy made was good ! the point is there are folks who think guns are unethical, then those that think crossbows unethical, and so on , at what point is ANY killing ethical ? hmmmm ? is a wolf pack 30 to one ethical ? how about coyotes on fluffy ? or kitty ? is that ethical ? NOT ONE OF US , has the end all be all word on ethical ! Bambi is FOOD, , so is Bullwinkle , or Brer Bear , I don't care , I can't eat normal store bought meat, I therefore hunt , I could care less, how far, so long as it goes down. Suffering ? give me a break, any animal suffers less by a hunter that RETRIEVES his kill, than by a pack of hungry whatevers , tearing it up and eating pieces whilst it's still alive ! It's called nature! it's kill or be killed it's all around , don't like it ? go sit in a field naked singing kumbaya eating tofu ! The animal wasn't moving at all, it can be safely said it wasn't going anywhere , and you know darn well it isn't that long before the bullet hits for it to move all that much when not spooked. the shot was good and clean , also , what's wrong with a spine shot ? it made sure it wasn't going anywhere ! as for suffering , ever had a spine severed ? I know someone who has, in an accident, says he never felt a thing , just couldn't get up , no pain .





fuzzynuts54 said:
greywolf your totally missin the point. I have no doubt you know your gear and can send your bullet on the path you want it. No doubt at all. But YOU CAN NOT be sure the animal will be in the same place it was when you touched off. from 300 to 1000 yards is a BIG difference in flight time, and a BIG difference regarding how far the "target" has moved.
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