More on Hogzilla II
- Thread starter grnhawg
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- The Conservative part of Ontario
And what did you expect? 
"The monster hog gained worldwide acclaim after he was bagged by 11-year-old Jamison Stone, a Pickensville native, with a .50-caliber pistol on May 3 at the Lost Creek Plantation, LLC, a hunting preserve in Delta. The big boar was hunted inside a large, low-fence enclosure and fired upon 16 times by Stone, who struck the animal nearly a half-dozen times during the three-hour hunt."
Well he shot at it 16 times & only hit it with 6 shots! Quite a marksman IMHO
This is truly one of the times when the word "Hunting" should NOT be used to describe killing an animal.
George
Well he shot at it 16 times & only hit it with 6 shots! Quite a marksman IMHO
This is truly one of the times when the word "Hunting" should NOT be used to describe killing an animal.
George
Mike Oxbig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Scarborough Ontario
Haha! looks good on him! A domestic pig took 16 shots (only 6 hitting it) and 3 hours of chasing and plinking at it!! Was he aiming from the hip? This kid needs to lose the cool .50 and get a rifle. I'd buy the 500 mag real cheap or trade him for a good 300 mag rifle.!
Now's the time for us all to get "Moral" about this. A kid who needed a lot more practice out with his Dad for a hunt. This actually has a tolerable ending, while there are thousands of examples every year of some bonehead wounding an animal and leaving it to die a slow death.
In typical fashion the firearms community will pull a "Zumbo" on the family, distance themselves from them, and attack them with extreme venom. Political Correctness is strong within our "Family" - step outside the script, or do something that's fodder for criticism and you will be offered up on an altar. Nice to know.
I predict a few articles in upcoming editions of such publications as "Field and Stream" criticizing them and publishing examples of "good" Pig Hunting.
In typical fashion the firearms community will pull a "Zumbo" on the family, distance themselves from them, and attack them with extreme venom. Political Correctness is strong within our "Family" - step outside the script, or do something that's fodder for criticism and you will be offered up on an altar. Nice to know.
I predict a few articles in upcoming editions of such publications as "Field and Stream" criticizing them and publishing examples of "good" Pig Hunting.
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Lazy Ike said:
Just because "killing" an animal is legal, doesn't make it ethical or desirable. I support legal & ethical hunting. IMHO the activity of shooting penned animals may be legal killing, but it is NOT hunting. Shooting at an animal 16 times & only hitting it 6 times over a 3 hour period doesn't seem very "ethical" to me. Did this animal suffer needlessly? Shooting this obese pig should be called "slaughtering" NOT hunting.
George
Mike Oxbig
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Scarborough Ontario
Isn't slaughtering usually quite painless to the animal and VERY quick?glang1 said:
grnhawg said:
I gotta say that I am really not impressed at all by this little episode. They didn't use enough gun, the gun they used was probably too much gun for the kid to handle, and the kid blew his shot placement and had to shoot the thing multiple times over three hours before it died. And while I'm all for sharing the hunting experience with your kids (or even borrowed kids), the father here really cheeses me off. Paying lots of money to set your kid up with a domesticated animal in a pen, not using enough gun, causing the animal to suffer unnecessarily, and then trumpeting it all over the internet as if it were an actual feral pig bagged in the wild in an actual, fair chase hunt (not that I don't think that fair chase is a silly bourgeois notion)? That is the wrong sort of message to send your kid. The father sounds like the sort of guy who'd hire a hooker for his son's sixteenth birthday and brag about it.
And to boot, they handed the antis a golden opportunity to get all worked up and call for a ban on game preserves. Way to go, bubba.
Andy said:
Actually I find most of the mainstream hunting mags like Field & Stream, tend to gloss over any contoversial aspects of hunting. I believe they would write the story and simply omit any of the nasty facts... just like the story I saw on TV. It made it sound like a heroic hunt.
Not "we" andy, a couple clowns with no practical experience hunting wild boars become the moral police... Its Sad that people cant appreciate what was involved in an 11 year old taking the pig... Its funny how less and less people share actual stories of they're hunts on this site than they did a few years ago... there is allways some jackass to pick small details apart.
Had there been no story published, and just pics, (as started) the same crowd would have "speculated" something negative. First it was fotoshopped, next its this, and now its this...
It never ends.
I wish the ethics police would shut the #### up unless thay had an ounce of practical experience on the subject... Glang, ever seen 160 acres? The fence is the only thing that would keep most of you know it alls from getting lost in there...
And BTW, fences are more for people than game in most southern game farms... But you guys know that...
Had there been no story published, and just pics, (as started) the same crowd would have "speculated" something negative. First it was fotoshopped, next its this, and now its this...
It never ends.
I wish the ethics police would shut the #### up unless thay had an ounce of practical experience on the subject... Glang, ever seen 160 acres? The fence is the only thing that would keep most of you know it alls from getting lost in there...
And BTW, fences are more for people than game in most southern game farms... But you guys know that...
Mike Oxbig said:Haha! looks good on him! A domestic pig took 16 shots (only 6 hitting it) and 3 hours of chasing and plinking at it!! Was he aiming from the hip? This kid needs to lose the cool .50 and get a rifle. I'd buy the 500 mag real cheap or trade him for a good 300 mag rifle.!
So your telling me at 11 years old, you wouldnt be shaking like a leaf???
And you think a 300 would have made a difference?
I smashed a 250 odd pounder through the shoulder(breaking it), and wrecking both lungs, and it went like it wasnt hit... Allmost took out one hunter, than
It took a follow up kill#### that took out the heart (@ 10 yards) with a 180 gr failsafe out of a 300 win mag. 15 minutes later.
the pig was ready to fight, but I wasnt.
Another one had its spine broke right behind its head, do you think a broken spine stopped it?
Unless you've actually hunted a pig, you have no idea how hard they are to kill. they have the will to live like no other animal.
LOL thats funny. Domenstic pig in a fenced in area took 3 hours to kill it.
I highly doubt this pig could run very fast. Probably takes him a good 20 seconds just to get up lol. I'm betting that it doesnt have the most stamina and would have to take frequent rests.
someone on another site pretty knew that it was domestic when the story first came out, or atleast more domestic then wild. He said the floppy ears gave it away, wild ones have stiff ears.
I'd say it would take nomore then 2 well placed shots with a .50 cal rifle to down that pig, dunno if it would die right away, but 6 shots lol prob pegged him in the ass a couple times while it was waddling away
I highly doubt this pig could run very fast. Probably takes him a good 20 seconds just to get up lol. I'm betting that it doesnt have the most stamina and would have to take frequent rests.
someone on another site pretty knew that it was domestic when the story first came out, or atleast more domestic then wild. He said the floppy ears gave it away, wild ones have stiff ears.
I'd say it would take nomore then 2 well placed shots with a .50 cal rifle to down that pig, dunno if it would die right away, but 6 shots lol prob pegged him in the ass a couple times while it was waddling away
Wow, everyone jumps to conclusions wiht no research...
PS In most places that have pigs to hunt, it's legal to hunt them to hunt pigs behind a fence.
Mike Stone, Jamison's father, contends that he was unaware of the origin of the pig. Before, during and after the hunt — and until late Thursday night, when contacted by The Star — Mike Stone was under the impression that the hog was feral.
"We were told that it was a feral hog," Mike Stone said, "and we hunted it on the pretense that it was a feral hog."
Preserve Hog Hunts
Our European Boar and Feral Hog Hunts take place behind two miles of low fence. The terrain has everything that Lost Creek Plantation has to offer: From steep pine hillsides to hardwood creek bottoms, hogs have plenty of places to hide in the diverse cover.
Tree stands and shooting houses are provided for our hunters to use.
For the hunter seeking an exciting challenge, we offer the opportunity to spot and stalk trophy hogs.
Hogs can be hunted year round with the hunter’s weapon of choice. Preserve Hog Hunts are great for the young hunter as well as the young at heart!
I wonder if that kid is going to take up hunting, now that the world is pissing on him for partaking in a completely legal, and probably a hell of a lot of fun hog hunting trip, on a 1280 acre plantation.
1 square mile has 640 acres...
If I could find fault it woudl be wiht the plantation owner not being 100% truthful to the kid and his dad, and I woudl suggest to the dad that he arm is son wiht a weapon that he was more skilled with.
Of course, that kid is the only one that has made a poor shot and had to follow up a wounded animal, rigth? None of you guys have ever screwed up? When you were 11 even?
PS In most places that have pigs to hunt, it's legal to hunt them to hunt pigs behind a fence.
Mike Stone, Jamison's father, contends that he was unaware of the origin of the pig. Before, during and after the hunt — and until late Thursday night, when contacted by The Star — Mike Stone was under the impression that the hog was feral.
"We were told that it was a feral hog," Mike Stone said, "and we hunted it on the pretense that it was a feral hog."
Preserve Hog Hunts
Our European Boar and Feral Hog Hunts take place behind two miles of low fence. The terrain has everything that Lost Creek Plantation has to offer: From steep pine hillsides to hardwood creek bottoms, hogs have plenty of places to hide in the diverse cover.
Tree stands and shooting houses are provided for our hunters to use.
For the hunter seeking an exciting challenge, we offer the opportunity to spot and stalk trophy hogs.
Hogs can be hunted year round with the hunter’s weapon of choice. Preserve Hog Hunts are great for the young hunter as well as the young at heart!
I wonder if that kid is going to take up hunting, now that the world is pissing on him for partaking in a completely legal, and probably a hell of a lot of fun hog hunting trip, on a 1280 acre plantation.
1 square mile has 640 acres...
If I could find fault it woudl be wiht the plantation owner not being 100% truthful to the kid and his dad, and I woudl suggest to the dad that he arm is son wiht a weapon that he was more skilled with.
Of course, that kid is the only one that has made a poor shot and had to follow up a wounded animal, rigth? None of you guys have ever screwed up? When you were 11 even?
2 miles of fencing actually encloses 160 acres (1/2 mile per side), not 640.
but, at a fast walk, it would still take a person half an hour or more to walk around 160 acres.
depending on the terrain and cover, a hunt in a fenced 160 acres could be anything but easy.
but, at a fast walk, it would still take a person half an hour or more to walk around 160 acres.
depending on the terrain and cover, a hunt in a fenced 160 acres could be anything but easy.
The Humane Society of the United States today called on the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources to investigate the highly publicized killing of a "monster pig." Earlier this month, an 11-year-old boy killed the pig after the animal was trapped and released in a fenced enclosure at the Lost Creek Plantation in Delta, Ala.
According to the Alabama Game and Fish Laws, it is unlawful to hunt or kill or offer the opportunity to hunt or kill for a fee under conditions in which the animal hunted does not have a reasonable opportunity to evade the hunter. The regulation includes animals released from confinement for less than 10 days. According to the website of Southeastern Trophy Hunter, the organizers of the hunt, the "monster pig" was trapped by the owner of the Lost Creek Plantation sometime around April 28 and was offered as a "no-kill, no-bill" guarantee for anyone willing to pay $1500 for the kill. The "monster pig" was killed on May 3 while confined in a fenced enclosure.
"The killing of a trapped pig in a pen – 'monster' or otherwise – is like shooting fish in a barrel," said Michael Markarian, HSUS executive vice president. "It violates the hunters' fair chase ethic and may also violate Alabama state law. The Alabama legislature rightly banned inhumane and unsporting 'canned hunts' last year, and we urge the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources to fully investigate this 'monster pig' matter."
I have not been impressed by this story from the moment I heard it, 11 year old kid or not. So what?
All the BS about how a hog can be tough to find in an area like this is just hot air when you learn that the goddamn pig had just been released there. Besides they were guided by the "pros" from the game farm. Those guys would have known pretty much exactly where the porker was lurking...
According to the Alabama Game and Fish Laws, it is unlawful to hunt or kill or offer the opportunity to hunt or kill for a fee under conditions in which the animal hunted does not have a reasonable opportunity to evade the hunter. The regulation includes animals released from confinement for less than 10 days. According to the website of Southeastern Trophy Hunter, the organizers of the hunt, the "monster pig" was trapped by the owner of the Lost Creek Plantation sometime around April 28 and was offered as a "no-kill, no-bill" guarantee for anyone willing to pay $1500 for the kill. The "monster pig" was killed on May 3 while confined in a fenced enclosure.
"The killing of a trapped pig in a pen – 'monster' or otherwise – is like shooting fish in a barrel," said Michael Markarian, HSUS executive vice president. "It violates the hunters' fair chase ethic and may also violate Alabama state law. The Alabama legislature rightly banned inhumane and unsporting 'canned hunts' last year, and we urge the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources to fully investigate this 'monster pig' matter."
I have not been impressed by this story from the moment I heard it, 11 year old kid or not. So what?
All the BS about how a hog can be tough to find in an area like this is just hot air when you learn that the goddamn pig had just been released there. Besides they were guided by the "pros" from the game farm. Those guys would have known pretty much exactly where the porker was lurking...
