Mosin Nagant 91/30 Armorer's Tool Kit on E-Bay

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Hello Everyone

I stumbled across this Mosin Nagant 91/30 Armorer's Tool Kit on E-Bay -

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Here's the item listing -

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Original-Soviet-Mosin-Nagant-91-30-rifles-47-pcs-tool-set-1946/272376133433?_trksid=p2050601.c100085.m2372&_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D35909%26meid%3Dcfd5f948c8d04239a470fb7e5dd1b18b%26pid%3D100085%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D272376133433%26clkid%3D964143168789684073&_qi=RTM2247625

Has anyone seen one of these kits before? I know what some of the tools are used for, but have no idea on others. Can someone please explain what the contents are and their use?

Thank you in advance,

Brookwood
 
That has to be recently made.I mean very recently.Maybe MOLOT does those?They did,maybe even still do have some pretty extensive refurbishment program for MN rifles going for export.

Taking into account rate of attrition of those rifles in 1941-45 period I really don't see the point of armorer having extensive kit like this and chances of finding NOS set from pre 1941 in this shape are exactly zero.

Edit-box is stamped 1946,so are some tools.I'll say this is a fake kit.By 1946 MN were on their way out of the service.
 
Horilka said:
I'm nit saying anything about this kit, but this seller sells authentic stuff along with fakes. Just so you would know.
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Hello Horilka! I was hoping you would make an appearance in this thread. Thanks for your insight, confirms what I've observed.

Brookwood
 
I have seen legit mosin armorer's kits a few times, none of the ones I can verify that are original look quite like this one, but then there are several varieties and I've likely not seen them all.

All the kits I've verified as real were electro-pencilled individually with factory and part number markings. No idea if the same is true of the stuff in that kit.
 
Horilka said:
I'm nit saying anything about this kit, but this seller sells authentic stuff along with fakes. Just so you would know.
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Yes, he does. He also labels them as reproductions when they are reproductions though.

I've purchased a dozen completely authentic and hard to find items from him.

As always though, Caveat Emptor.
 
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Horilka said:
What has replaced MNs by 1946 if I may ask?
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SKS were coming into service in numbers since late 1945 (soon to be replaced by AK-47).


I can imagine Czechs,Hungarians or Radom factory in Poland making set like this as they were producing or refurbishing MN in very substantial numbers for quite a while.

Maybe Russians provided them with sets like this?Asking Radom factory archive might shed some light on this.
 
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donor said:
SKS were coming into service in numbers since late 1945 (soon to be replaced by AK-47).
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Only several hundred SKSs chambered in M43 (7.62x41 by that time) were sent for field trials in 1945, this is hardly can be considered as "in numbers". Army accepted improved version of SKS in M43 (by that time 7.62x39) only in 1949. AK-47 was also accepted in 1949. So in 1946 main Red Army rifle was MN with all its variants and millions of them needed to be serviced and repaired on regular basis in 1946 and in 1950x and in 1960x.
 
lower right appears to be some sort of tubing cutter and upper to middle left appears to be a tap and die set although I don't see a tap wrench. There is a trigger pull guage (probably) middle right side. To me, most of the pieces don't seem to be related to an armorer checking a gun for headspace and sight position and bore dimentsions. Also I would have expected to see a micrometer rather than a caliper for accurate dimentions

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
lower right appears to be some sort of tubing cutter and upper to middle left appears to be a tap and die set although I don't see a tap wrench. There is a trigger pull guage (probably) middle right side. To me, most of the pieces don't seem to be related to an armorer checking a gun for headspace and sight position and bore dimentsions. Also I would have expected to see a micrometer rather than a caliper for accurate dimentions

cheers mooncoon
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Thanks mooncoon!

Brookwood
 
Horilka said:
Here you go my friends - http://forums.gunboards.com/showthr...riginal-Mosin-gauges-in-box&highlight=armorer
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I bought one of these sets of inspection tools. The sets in the link are attribute gauges meant to enable field inspection of rifles for headspace, bore wear and straightness and chamber to receiver dimensions. I have purchased a couple of items from the seller of the repair tool kit. He is a reputable seller in my experience.

The first of these tool kits was listed 2-3 years ago for $699 and it sold in a week or so. A second kit was offered at $799 and it sold after about a month. The current listing has been up for ~3 months with lots of watchers (including me) but no takers. At $799 plus $100 for shipping it runs to $1250 CDN. Nice to have, but pretty limited practical value.

Appendix 8 (p.132) in the recently published book "M91/30 Rifles and M38/M44 Carbines in 1941-1945" by Alexander Yuschenko has a picture of this set type and a brief description of each tool's intended use.

The EBAY offering is authentic.
 
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