Mosin Nagant - A good shoot?

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Hey all,

I noticed the Mosin Nagant at the following website and noted it is not very expensive. I'm not sure what you get, or who makes whatever you would get if you bought this:

http://www.badgerarmssupply.com/surplus_firearms.html

But..do you think it is any good? Does anyone shoot this historic rifle, and if so, how do you like it? It seems like it might be kinda fun actually...
 
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They are fun little rifles, nice kick, good blast and flash, the rifle your looking at in the pic is the m44 carbine verson, nice little fun rifle.
 
I owned the "musket" version (damn that was a long gun!) and the only problem I had with it was that with a normal grip on the comb or small of the butt, I would punch myself in the nose due to the shorter buttstock length and my eye-relief. I had to actually think about my hand placement before squeezing but the cool-assed T-bolt action and recoil were worth it. Historic and tres-cool. Buy it and never let it go.
 
The one listed on the website is an M44 carbine. I have never owned one of these but I heard they are meant to be fired with the bayonet extended otherwise accuracy is affected. The majority of my collection consists of German military service rifles and carbines but I recently branched out a bit to include a Finnish M1891 and I just fell in love with it. Simple design, simple operation, simple maintenance, at a price that anyone can afford, what more could you ask for ?
 
Speaking of the "Musket" version, I recently acquired a Mosin Nagant M91/30 surplus kit that included among other things, a bayonet. Pictures speak louder than words at the overall length of this combination :D.

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I own both m-44 carabine and 1930 long rifle. My m-44 was brand new when I shooted for the first time. With surplus ammo over the years I would say my groups are ussualy within 2 inches at 100 meters on the range. With hunting ammo the best I ever did was within 1.5 inch groups at 100 meters with iron sights from good sand bag rest.
My uncle was trained with m-44 carabine in the army, officialy they were instructed to shoot with bayonet extended, they were told that m-44 are calibrated to shoot with bayonet extended
 
M1891 and the Finnish variants are surprisingly accurate and a hoot to shoot. I rang the 300 yard gong with irons as long as I felt like it.

Sestoryetsk, Remington and New England Westinghouse. Mount a bayonet and you can hit the target at 1000yds., with irons. I sold'em but kept my heavy barreled M24 becuase I believe she is best and rarest of her breed!

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I've had a few of these, they shoot alright. I've never been overly impressed, but they group OK.

Just my 2 cents: If you get one and reload make sure you slug your bore to use the best diameter bullets for your particuliar rifle - in my experience - and this is only in my experience, Russans and Poles slug at about .311 (ish) and Fins at about .308 (ish). I've seen a lot of variation, but looking over my notes these are my averages. Just food for thought :)

best regards :)
 
PerversPépère said:
Looks like you got a very nice M-91 Mosin.
What year and maker?
PP.
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Make is Tikkakoski, 1942. Aside from the finger joint stock and the barrel, every other part is Tsarist era in origin with the majority being Izhevsk. What is interesting is the bolt's four digits match four out of five on the barrel so I am guessing they were matched up during the manufacturing process. A very interesting rifle to say the least.
 
I don't know too much about the cartridge but this 7.62x54mmR seems like it might be a little hard to find? The wikipedia info on this sounds menacing, I didn't know it was chambered with such a powerful round (Thats why people are always complaining about their shoulders, ahhh!).

The 7.62x54mmR is a very potent cartridge, in the same power class as the .30-06 Springfield
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When used with modern hunting bullets, it is capable of easily taking large game.
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...with the 7.62x54mmR, even being considered a bit too powerful for moose. Large bears including polar bears are frequently hunted with it.
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If you are firing an M38 or M44 carbine then yes, I can imagine the recoil being up there. You can always try looking for an M1891/30 ? They are longer and a bit heavier so the recoil should be reduced a bit.
 
All my Finn Mosins are very capable shooters.
If your Tikka's barrel is good, which is very often the case, you might be rewarded with a very accurate iron sight sleeper. Mind you, with the proper ammo and given a good eye, you can put many scope-equipped rifles to shame at 100 yards.
BTW: contrary to the soviet, Finns tuned their rifles without the bayonet on it. They didn't believe in massive bayonet charges and their Puukko knives were far more effective in hand-to-hand combat.
PP.
 
PP, I agree on that point, I have an M-27 and M-39 and love them, the craftsmanship is just outstanding, care was really taken on how they were put together. Just a question, my M-27 barrel is joined with an 1899 Tula reciever, yet the bolt is all mixed and matched early Soviet Tula parts. My Sako M-39 barrel is mated with a 1915 Tula reciever, the bolt is a mixed bag of Izy, Tula and 1 Chat part. Why is my later rifle's bolt made of older parts where as the earlier one is not? How did the Finns go about matching receivers to barrels/bolts to rifles?
 
I've got a 1938 91/30 that killed a bear at 100 yards and a deer at 30.

I had another one that I turned into a scout rifle out of parts and killed a bear with.

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Nabs said:
Make is Tikkakoski, 1942. Aside from the finger joint stock and the barrel, every other part is Tsarist era in origin with the majority being Izhevsk. What is interesting is the bolt's four digits match four out of five on the barrel so I am guessing they were matched up during the manufacturing process. A very interesting rifle to say the least.
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The Finns usually didn't use the first number of the serial when stamping the bolts. Yours more then likely has had the original serial ground down and a new one put in place on the side of the bolt or on the bolt handle.

One of my Finn bolts has had 3 different serial numbers on it. lol.
 
Well I guess that makes sense. There does appear to be some wierd handling marks on the bolt handle knob (where the serial is stamped) so I am guessing that is from the scrubbing process. Funny enough is how the Tsarist eagle is still on the receiver. I am guessing they rushed this rifle through completion as many Imperial markings are still intact and visible.
 
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