Mosin nagant M44 ( pic heavy )

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Picked up this rifle a while ago and decided to finally take it out of the safe, clean it up and take some photos before going to the range. I'm thinking it may be an unissued example. The guy I bought it from said it was part of an estate that had been donated to his organization. It was apparently in the original owners possession for about 15 to 20 years and was never fired by him. Any of the mosin nuts on here have any idea of when this would have been imported (no marks) and anything else to tell me about it? It was absolutely covered in cosmoline and the bore is mint. I can't find any refurb marks on it anywhere and everything is matching numbers. Also curious as to the significance of the sling slots. Liner in front, none in the buttstock.



















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It's definitely a refurb, 1944 Izhevsk manufacture, distinctly Polish stock. The sling stocks are standard, only sniper rifles had a liner in the rear slot. Very nice rifle either way.
 
Looks very similar to a polish one that I got from marstar back in the mid 80s, they were selling brand new ones, mine's 1952 factory 11, packed in cosmo. Mine also had the same sling slots (came with the sling too) and was all matching etc etc, I remember that at the time they had both russian and polish ones, the russian ones were more expensive.

Back then 7.62x54R was super cheap, so I got a few different mosins and an svt 40 and fired off a few surplus cases of ammo. I never got around to shooting the 1944 though, it still has cosmo all over it in the back of my safe
 
I have a weird feeling that Nagant was issued to Israeli forces. Look at the "Circle Y" (Hebrew?) and then look at the receiver stamps of an Israeli Mauser. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=188874

see a Star of David any where?
The boxed crylic 'n' looks very Familiar as well - perhaps Yugoslavian?

definetly been fired by the looks of the bore unless the frost us dried cosmolene. The Polish stock is throwing me off.

Id dig deeper.
You may have something there.
 
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Riflechair said:
I have a weird feeling that Nagant was issued to Israeli forces. Look at the "Circle Y" (Hebrew?) and then look at the receiver stamps of an Israeli Mauser. http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=188874

see a Star of David any where?
The boxed crylic 'n' looks very Familiar as well - perhaps Yugoslavian?

definetly been fired by the looks of the bore unless the frost us dried cosmolene. The Polish stock is throwing me off.

Id dig deeper.
You may have something there.
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Those are all standard markings. The circle Y is a standard Soviet proof mark, the diamond with the U in it is a Polish technical control or acceptance mark (used from 1948-1965), the square n is a unknown marking, though it is definitely not Israeli.

This rifle wouldn't be Israeli as they never adapted any Mosin Nagants (only captured quantities from invading forces), and it isn't Yugoslavian, as again they didn't adapt Mosin Nagants (weren't part of the Warsaw Pact, and chose to retain there Mausers instead, any they had was left over from fighting the Germans in WWII). If your going to make uneducated guesses at least do some research first.

This rifle was sent to Poland, as they adopted (had forced upon them) quite a few Soviet firearms. It may or may not have been used by them, could have just been restocked and put into storage (for prepared usage in WWIII), or could have been used, restocked and placed in storage when better options became available. Then about 20-30 years ago, these were released from storage and where sold to the North American market at firesale prices.

Definitely a very nice example, I recently lucked into a similar M44, mine being restocked by the Czechs instead. Hope you enjoy it.
 
Plus one on all above. Circle y is Russian have the same marking on my Russian mosins. But the stock looks Polish to me, identical to mine, but the markings do not look Polish to me. Usually a diamond, an 11, OV and Wz are seen on Polish stocks.
Looks like a nice thunder stick to me, you and your buddy's at the range will need ear protection!!
Be well
 
Eaglelord17 said:
I recently lucked into a similar M44, mine being restocked by the Czechs instead. Hope you enjoy it.
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I would wager that rifle was actually restocked by the Bulgarians. The KK10 is actually a Bulgarian mark.

The Czechs actually never used / issued any Mosins other than the vz. 54 sniper rifle. Unfortunately, the "Czech" stock information on 7.62x54r and mosinnagant.net is actually misinformation, from old research and theory which has been debunked for a few years now. The websites haven't been updated though.
 
bp2626 said:
I would wager that rifle was actually restocked by the Bulgarians. The KK10 is actually a Bulgarian mark.

The Czechs actually never used / issued any Mosins other than the vz. 54 sniper rifle. Unfortunately, the "Czech" stock information on 7.62x54r and mosinnagant.net is actually misinformation, from old research and theory which has been debunked for a few years now. The websites haven't been updated though.
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Interesting, I was just going by what little I could find on it. I was more along the basis of the Czechs restocking it as they did apparently cut down some M91s and such to M91/38 style patterns (unless those have been debunked as well). Mosins are starting to become like Enfields, never say that it wasn't done.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
Interesting, I was just going by what little I could find on it. I was more along the basis of the Czechs restocking it as they did apparently cut down some M91s and such to M91/38 style patterns (unless those have been debunked as well). Mosins are starting to become like Enfields, never say that it wasn't done.
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The 91/38 is 100% Bulgarian.
 
The stock looks Polish for sure..only thing I have seen even close to that is Hungarian. ..Likely taken into Polish service and restocked at some point..nice little carbine...
 
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