Mosin Nagant questions - pre 1900/cossack/dragoon etc...

[ArtyMan]

A short while ago I posted asking about Mosin 1891's, and within a few days, I purchased one and went to the range with it, and was extreamly happy!

I was just wondering how common (or uncommon) are the dragoon and cossack rifles? how common or uncommon are pre 1900 dated Mosins? I have an 1891, 91/30 and M44 and was just looking to further my collection I imagine they would command a premium, but am just wondering whats out there (if anything).

I am particularly interested in an original Cossack rifle, with the early flat rear sight leaf, no recoil bolt and the full length handguard which wraps around the rear sight base. Much like the one below

I am also interested in a pre 1900 Chatellerault Mosin. IF there are any around, what would one expect to pay?

How are the American Mosins in terms of quality? How common or uncommon are they?

Thanks!

 

[Deltasilver]

7.62x54r.net, under the "Collecting" header... nice little Rarity Scale. The rifles you mentioned above score an 8 and a 9 where 10 is most rare...Almost as rare as ammo to feed them

No reason not to look though. If you do find what you're looking for be sure to post pics!

 

[ArtyMan]

I saw that page and was just wondering how it relates to Canada. Luckily I reload now!

 

[ArtyMan]

any ideas??

 

[JP]

I have been dealing in Mosin-Nagants for years in Canada, I have only handled a couple of Chatellerauts and I have never seen a complete original Cossack/Dragoon in Canada.

 

[ArtyMan]

What would a Chatellerault be worth? ballpark of course, I know condition is everything

 

[JP]

The Chatellerauts we see in Canada are Finnish Post-WW1 rebuilts with none of their original parts, usually sell in the $350.00 to $400.00 range. An original untouched pre-1900 Chatelleraut with early stock, finger rest triggerguard, early sling swivel on triggerguard and barrel band and not fitted for a hanguard would go $2,000.00 at least (really only place to find one is in a Museum).

 

[eos]

Thrifty Mother Russia refurbed her dragoon rifles into 91/30s as opportunity allowed, hence the scarcity of original examples.

 

[ArtyMan]

Thanks for the replies guys. Email sent Jean!

 

[Dryzen]

The American mades pop up now and again. Zfarm had one for 450$ and I beleive we have one in the EE.

 

[smellie]

Point to remember: Dragoon rifles and Cossack rifles were identical apart from serials. both had shorter barrels (they were the prototype for the 91/30), but the Cossack rifles had KA3 (corresponds to KAZ) before the serial number: really hard to fake.
Picked up a Finnish Dragoon rifle several years ago, a rebuilt-in-Mother-Russia-in-the-1930s specimen but that is the only one I've seen. Wood had been chopped, right where the fore-end gets skinny: real fun putting it back together, I'll tell you! At least I had the original part that was chopped off....