No real comparison between a repro sniper and the actual thing....they look the same,but certainly do not shoot the same..I have a VZ54 and Finn rifles I thought were damn accurate...however an original Tula sniper rifle recently acquired blew that out of the water..it’s the most accurate mosin I have shot for grouping,..easily MOA or better....take your time and find a real one,otherwise a repro would do for casual shooting...
Mosin Nagant Snipers - What's the differences?
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What you describe as "no special production" Mosins is accurate only for Izhevsk, it was different for Tula.
In Izhevsk, they had no special sniper-specific production lines, instead, they test fired every single barrel, and selected only the best barrels to a regulation "sniper standard", to be fitted on special highwall receivers, which would themselves be fitted out with their optics, and be sent to the further steps of production and issuing.
In Tula, unlike Izhevsk, they had dedicated production lines for sniper rifles, where barrels would be sniper-purpose made from the start.
Real sniper production Mosins, in order to be issued as a sniper rifle (instead of having being tossed in a pile of regular infantry rifles), had to reach a standard of 10 shots into a 3.5 cm grouping at 100m, 7.5 cm grouping at 200m, 18 cm grouping at 400m, and a 35 cm grouping at 600m. A standard which is easily surpassed by modern standards of high quality commercial rifles, however is a rather good factory precision standard in its own right given the context of its production and peers, and considering that it is far better than the average of the "minute of man" precision of pretty much all contemporary regular infantry issue rifles.
Also what you say about the Soviets having a different sniper doctrine is very true, being more close to contemporary support Designated Marksmen roles.
I haven't properly shot and measured my (non-reproduction) PU Mosin, but from very casual shooting, it has gotten a solid 3 MOA, though the barrel on mine looks barely used and well preserved.
I highly doubt a finn mosin will out shoot a russian mosin sniper. The standard of sniper is pretty high and Ive seen many of them are able to shoot submoa with right ammo. In addition, there is no way to mount a scope on a finn mosin.
What about the mosin snipers that crappy tire had recently? The one I have is a Izhevsk 1943
It has the made in Russia laser engraved on the side with a T in a diamond I think?
The scope mount is electropenciled to match the serial on the receiver
The question is are these actual snipers or just ones that are cobbled together?
It has the made in Russia laser engraved on the side with a T in a diamond I think?
The scope mount is electropenciled to match the serial on the receiver
The question is are these actual snipers or just ones that are cobbled together?
Hello,
The Russian Mosin sniper rifles were selected from standard infantry rifles that showed better-than-normal precision during precision testing. Generally, these rifles had slightly coned or tapered bores due to worn tooling -- or at least I've read this. Limited experimentation seems to bear this out: My most precise Mosin is a 91/30 with a 1938 receiver and 1939 barrel. It's a Russian, of course, but the barrel slugs to 0.3095". Additionally, when pushing a patch down the bore from the breech end, I can feel it constrict.
Accurizing work included wrapping the barrel and shimming the action. I do this as well, but use a more Finnish method.
While I have shot sub-MOA groups, these groups are more typical of the best I can personally do with iron sights.
They were shot during product prototyping, mostly, and the targets and distances look funny because I have 20/60 vision and I prefer to shoot uncorrected. Others more talented than I can shoot their Mosins much better.
The point to this is simply that there were stock Mosins made that can flat out shoot -- not all were made into snipers. If you can take a cleaning rod and patch into the store with you, you may do better to buy a local one you've personally examined and convert it. Trigger pulls are easy to clean up, so I'd concentrate on the bore.
Just some random thoughts from a Mosin fanatic.
Regards,
Josh
The Russian Mosin sniper rifles were selected from standard infantry rifles that showed better-than-normal precision during precision testing. Generally, these rifles had slightly coned or tapered bores due to worn tooling -- or at least I've read this. Limited experimentation seems to bear this out: My most precise Mosin is a 91/30 with a 1938 receiver and 1939 barrel. It's a Russian, of course, but the barrel slugs to 0.3095". Additionally, when pushing a patch down the bore from the breech end, I can feel it constrict.
Accurizing work included wrapping the barrel and shimming the action. I do this as well, but use a more Finnish method.
While I have shot sub-MOA groups, these groups are more typical of the best I can personally do with iron sights.
They were shot during product prototyping, mostly, and the targets and distances look funny because I have 20/60 vision and I prefer to shoot uncorrected. Others more talented than I can shoot their Mosins much better.
The point to this is simply that there were stock Mosins made that can flat out shoot -- not all were made into snipers. If you can take a cleaning rod and patch into the store with you, you may do better to buy a local one you've personally examined and convert it. Trigger pulls are easy to clean up, so I'd concentrate on the bore.
Just some random thoughts from a Mosin fanatic.
Regards,
Josh
i was lucky enough to pick up a 1943 dated serial 5XX MN 91/30 PU Tula not long ago. All matching, including scope, mount and the whole wazoo. No electropencil anywhere 
Ill post pics soon because we all know 
The gentleman who owns the PEM please post pics ... im begging you haha
Ill post pics soon because we all know The gentleman who owns the PEM please post pics ... im begging you haha
